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On voting in a church
nessuno:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on November 03, 2008, 08:43:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: AsheDina on November 03, 2008, 07:48:40 AM --- I guess I am a 'liberal' Jew, it doesnt bother me at all. I know who I am, and what I believe.....HOWEVER- if it was in a mosque- thats another question.
muman, I sent you a message, I hope it want offensive or something.
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It's not about personal preference.. or being personally bothered by going in there.
It's about law.. Jewish law says you can't go in (the main part) so you can't go in. According to jewish law. It's considered a place of idolatry, strictly speaking.
-Technically- one can enter a mosque. Though one shouldn't want to.
A religious jew can't go into a hindu temple either, a legal point. Even if every hindu in the temple is a great person and even a JTFer!
It's a legal thing.
Just like somebody is jewish if their mother is jewish, or they converted.
Sounds harsh and strict, if somebody feels jewish and only has a jewish father, and doesn't want to convert. But law is law.
Similarly, religions can have offensive beliefs .. e.g. some christians thinking jews iwll go to hell. Doctrine is doctrine, so what. It doesn't harm anybody. And it's often not their personal preference.. (sometimes it is, and it just justifies the fact that they hate jews anyway, and that's bad!!) ..
But these things like law or doctrine, are not about picking and choosing and personal preferences.
A jew should be bothered about the concept of going into a church.. But because it's forbidden.. And it's easy not to go in one.. usually.
I must say.. I living in europe wouldn't want to go in one.. Because of the centuries of persecution.. Infact, as recently as 10 years ago I knew of jews that had been socializing with gentiles and they'd asked where their horns were.
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A very interesting post q_q_. It helps that you have explained it in this way. Otherwise - I agree with AsheDina, except that I'm not a Jewish person, I know who I am and what I believe. I could vote anywhere, even if I were not happy to do so...except for a mosque. Thanks for your post.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on November 03, 2008, 08:56:13 AM ---A very interesting post q_q_. It helps that you have explained it in this way. Otherwise - I agree with AsheDina, except that I'm not a Jewish person, I know who I am and what I believe. I could vote anywhere, even if I were not happy to do so...except for a mosque. Thanks for your post.
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no prob..
I wish these things were just obvious to everybody.
nessuno:
Things you think should be obvious aren't...because we all come at life from a different perspective.
You must keep that in mind...
q_q_:
--- Quote from: bullcat3 on November 03, 2008, 11:03:40 AM ---Things you think should be obvious aren't...because we all come at life from a different perspective.
You must keep that in mind...
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I did, I always consider different perspectives, and that only provides more reason why it should be obvious.
I know it's not obvious to most people, the average person is thick, but you're quite intelligent.
Ann Coulter's beliefs caused such offence because people don't get it. It was obvious to her.
She is coming from a very different place to me.
nessuno:
Well q_q_, the first time I heard ever heard this issue brought up, I understood that the person objected to the polling place because of how it would appear if they came out of a church. It, also, was my understanding that they felt they shouldn't be exposed to any aspect of the church and it's influence.
Having reached the age I am and being secure in my faith...I really couldn't understand that line of thinking.
Your explanation though...made sense to me and helped me to understand the feelings of this other person.
So I am sorry that it was not obvious to me...but it wasn't.
I would object to voting in a mosque and maybe some other places...but I wouldn't whine about it. I would vote by absentee ballot.
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