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The Kabbalah is not a fashion statement
zachor_ve_kavod:
We see celebrities like Madonna taking up Kabbalah and I think it's disgusting. First of all, even in Eastern Europe, where Kabbalah was practiced most by religious Jews, people were told to first learn Torah and to learn it well before even considering going on this mystical path. Usually, Jews waited until they were about 40 years of age, so that they had a good grounding in Talmud/Torah. Without this good grounding, Kabbalah can be misused and misinterpreted, and that is dangerous.
I personally, have made no immediate plans to study Kabbalah because there is still too much that I need to know about Torah, and I am 35 years old.
I find it offensive that celebrities have begun studies in Kabbalah, when they are not even Jewish, nor are they interested in Judaism. They just like mysticism. I wish they would take up voodoo instead.
Ronen Levi Yitzchak Segal:
Baruch Hashem - well, to be honest, it does mention that in the times of the geula, the secrets of the Torah will be known to the many. I personally don't know how I feel about our holy Kabalah being translated and on-line, but at least in this way, the non-Jews will remember that it is our job to elucidate Torah further for them.
In this way, they will one day invite us all back to Israel to sit peacefully and learn Torah b'rabim. And I think we will share, at that time, all our wisdom for them. Remember, they will be providing for us our physical needs - in return, we will teach them Torah.
I saw this little trend as just another sign that moshiach is here and the non-Jews wish to know the deepest secrets of our Torah.
G-d bless you.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on November 04, 2008, 08:40:24 PM ---We see celebrities like Madonna taking up Kabbalah and I think it's disgusting. First of all, even in Eastern Europe, where Kabbalah was practiced most by religious Jews, people were told to first learn Torah and to learn it well before even considering going on this mystical path. Usually, Jews waited until they were about 40 years of age, so that they had a good grounding in Talmud/Torah. Without this good grounding, Kabbalah can be misused and misinterpreted, and that is dangerous.
I personally, have made no immediate plans to study Kabbalah because there is still too much that I need to know about Torah, and I am 35 years old.
I find it offensive that celebrities have begun studies in Kabbalah, when they are not even Jewish, nor are they interested in Judaism. They just like mysticism. I wish they would take up voodoo instead.
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It's not Kabbalah they are studying.
You have really opened up a ridiculous controversial subject out of nowhere.
A subject that has been explained many many times by lots of people.
The kabbalah center is a cult. Her so-called rabbi , and the center, is fine with madonnah wearing teffilin(a jewish prayer garment) in one of her obviously sexual shows.
There must be thousands and thousands of articles from orthodox jews about the kabbalah center fraud..
Why cause people to repeat themselves by filling things in that you couldn't be bothered to write or are too ignorant and lazy to have looked up.
You opened up a can of worms.
If anything something about kabbalah is a torah subject and shoudl be there. But the level of intellect behind your post is so low that it doesn't deserve to be there either. No religious jew is going to be educated by it, and no gentile is going to get a good explanation from it.
You're not wrong, but you've opened up a subject that most people don't have a clue about, because they are too lazy to google, so they obviously aren't that interested anyway.. And you miss out important facts.. Making the classic ignoramouses mistake of saying or suggesting that it really is kabbalah she is studying.
It's just pathetic.
Your posts aren't normally pathetic but this one is.
It's not exactly original either.
zachor_ve_kavod:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on November 05, 2008, 08:58:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: zachor_ve_kavod on November 04, 2008, 08:40:24 PM ---We see celebrities like Madonna taking up Kabbalah and I think it's disgusting. First of all, even in Eastern Europe, where Kabbalah was practiced most by religious Jews, people were told to first learn Torah and to learn it well before even considering going on this mystical path. Usually, Jews waited until they were about 40 years of age, so that they had a good grounding in Talmud/Torah. Without this good grounding, Kabbalah can be misused and misinterpreted, and that is dangerous.
I personally, have made no immediate plans to study Kabbalah because there is still too much that I need to know about Torah, and I am 35 years old.
I find it offensive that celebrities have begun studies in Kabbalah, when they are not even Jewish, nor are they interested in Judaism. They just like mysticism. I wish they would take up voodoo instead.
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It's not Kabbalah they are studying.
You have really opened up a ridiculous controversial subject out of nowhere.
A subject that has been explained many many times by lots of people.
The kabbalah center is a cult. Her so-called rabbi , and the center, is fine with madonnah wearing teffilin(a jewish prayer garment) in one of her obviously sexual shows.
There must be thousands and thousands of articles from orthodox jews about the kabbalah center fraud..
Why cause people to repeat themselves by filling things in that you couldn't be bothered to write or are too ignorant and lazy to have looked up.
You opened up a can of worms.
If anything something about kabbalah is a torah subject and shoudl be there. But the level of intellect behind your post is so low that it doesn't deserve to be there either. No religious jew is going to be educated by it, and no gentile is going to get a good explanation from it.
You're not wrong, but you've opened up a subject that most people don't have a clue about, because they are too lazy to google, so they obviously aren't that interested anyway.. And you miss out important facts.. Making the classic ignoramouses mistake of saying or suggesting that it really is kabbalah she is studying.
It's just pathetic.
Your posts aren't normally pathetic but this one is.
It's not exactly original either.
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If you believe, as you claim, that this post opens up a can of worms, then why are you responding to it? Are you so certain that it isn't YOU who is opening up a can of worms? When I see a post that I think is pathetic, I don't respond to it. And how could the subject of this post be so dangerous, when you admit that it is hardly new subject matter? My guess is that this post is not as troubling to you as you claim it is. You are merely trying to lure me into a fight. Having said that, I have no desire to fight with you about this. If this post really bothers you, and you would like me to delete it, I'm willing to do that.
q_q_:
I am certainly not telling you to delete it.
I responded to it because although it had some correct information, it had misinformation too, and I corrected it.
Now it's OK.
You -stupidly- opened up a can of worms. I closed it. That's why I responded. It took some effort. And if you hadn't been so lazy in your research and your post, then you wouldn't have created a problem.
Now you should see why I responded by my explanation. It's because it's not just pathetic. It's misinformation. A can of worms. So I didn't just leave it.
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