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The Kabbalah is not a fashion statement
muman613:
And what exactly is this 'can of worms' which he opened up? What he said is clearly true and we can find sources which back this up.
Here is a good article by Kabbalistic Rabbi Ari Bar Tzaddok, a well respected Rabbi who has been interviewed on IsraelNationalRadio a number of times...
This article explains why Madonnas version of Kabbalah is not Kosher.
--- Quote ---http://koshertorah.com/PDF/madonna%20kabbalah.pdf
To be a Kabbalist requires of one many things. One must live a modest and holy life style in accordance to Torah Law. One must observe the commandments, even if one is a Righteous Gentile (Bat Noah) one has to observe all those commandments applicable to them. One must also have a comprehensive education in all applicable areas of Torah, not just Kabbalah. Madonna's recent video, its violent theme, her provocative dance moves and dress, which is certainly not modest by Torah standards suggests that she lacks these criteria, is unaware of them, or disregards them.
--- End quote ---
Here is a short bio of Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzaddok:
--- Quote ---http://koshertorah.com/about-the-rav.html
Born and raised in New York, Ariel Bar Tzadok immigrated to Israel in 1979, and studied in some of the finest Sephardic yeshivot in Jerusalem, including Porat Yosef (Ir Atika) under Hakham Shalom Kohen.
In June 1983, Rabbi Bar Tzadok received his Rabbinic ordination (Haredi Ultra-Orthodox) from Rabbi Ya’aqob Peretz, Rosh Yeshiva of Collel Hekhal Pinhas.
While studying at Hekhal Pinhas, Rabbi Bar Tzadok was blessed by Shamayim to become the private student of the renowned Mekubal, Rabbi Meir Levi zt’l, the foremost student of the Head Kabbalist of Jerusalem, Rabbi Mordechai Sharabi zt’l.
--- End quote ---
muman613
q_q_:
Muman,
As usual you don't understand my post.
Anyhow.
a)I agree with what Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzaddok wrote there. It's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.
Maybe not to you, but to any 'other' religious jew.
Of course you think it disagrees, but all you can do is copy/paste.
b)I explained where the problem with the post zachor posted was, and it wasn't addressed to you.
c)Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzaddok is not right on everything. I am familiar with a number of his articles that were of an important nature, and have checked them with many scholars. And they all said the references were bad or didn't prove what he wanted. You are welcome to trust him though.
Now,
Even you Muman, a real layman, new to judaism, unscholarly, gullible, irrational, but a kahanist, would have been able to tell that he is not an authority to be trusted on everything. Try listening to his talk on Rabbi Kahane. See how off he is with that one.
You should really know though, that nobody is a scholar to be trusted on everything.
I have had many discussions with you Muman, and you have proven yourself to be dishonest, unable to reason, unable to understand a thing. But you know 2 things. CTRL-C and CTRL-V
Shlomo:
q_q_,
Get a hold of yourself. I've banned two members for fighting yesterday. I'd rather not increase that number. This is a warning.
I'm tired of you contantly provoking fights and pushing buttons saying things like "Even you Muman, a real layman, new to judaism, unscholarly, gullible, irrational" and "you have proven yourself to be dishonest, unable to reason, unable to understand a thing". Really? I find no truth to this at all. No, it's a verbal attack and it was intended to hurt.
This isn't intellectual. This isn't even acceptable. Do you know what this is? It's lashon hora and it's evil. Learn to control your anger. Do you see me lashing out at every person who insults me? Do you know how many times people have lashed out at me? WHO CARES? Your ego is in control here and it is NOT going to ruin this forum.
Lisa:
q_q, I notice that you constantly put people down by calling them unintelligent, ignorant, etc. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. On the other hand, you are not the JTF judge and jury for everyone here.
People have a right to post their opinions and observations without having to worry about you constantly making snide judgmental comments. So while I agree with both you and Muman that the Madonna brand of Kaballah is not authentic, that is no excuse to call Zachor ve Kavod stupid, or to say that he "opened up a can of worms."
Also, you need to show people more respect. It's one thing to disagree with Muman. But calling him dishonest, among other things, is not acceptable.
And Muman, you should not let him goad you into fighting with him.
q_q_:
You know I couldn't care less about Muman "insulting" me.. I wasn't "goaded" by it.
It's fairly obvious that I had said everything I had to say to muman in the one post. I was clear in the post why it would only be one post where I responded to him.. It's a sharp clash but a brief one.
Muman made one post on the subject, initiating dialogue with me, and we know that doesn't work. I responded since it's a different subject. And it's quite obvious that I said all I had to say to him on the matter in the one post.
He responded but I had nothing more to say, and didn't reply. Incase it wasn't obvious.
But instead of PMing your concerns that this would be a long argument, and instead of using sense, people continue..
You are all actually exasperating the problem. It was already over AFTER others started posting for calm.
So my suggestion here is that people stop making repeated postings calling for calm. It is actually destroying "calm" and exasperating problems.
He initiated a dialogue with me.. I responded due to the subject matter. That was it. 1 post of mine and I had nothing more to say. So it was OVER.
And for the record, I didn't call zachor "stupid".
So don't jump in after 1 reply as if you are preventing a long 3 page argument. It wasn't ever going to happen. Though you might make it a 3 page thread on calling for calm.
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