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83% of White Jews voted for Osama
« on: November 05, 2008, 09:04:55 PM »
Any explanations why Jews are so leftist?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p2

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2008, 09:33:50 PM »
WOW!!!   Thats horrible.  But Id like to see that number for Religious Jews. 


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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2008, 01:29:21 AM »
Any explanations why Jews are so leftist?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p2

I know exactly why Jews are leftists. It's a long explanation but perfectly explains why Marxism is a Jewish phenomenon, resulting from centuries of persecution. I should write a paper about it since people, including Jews themselves, don't understand why they're leftists.

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2008, 09:21:56 AM »
Jews vote for democrats because they are leftists first, and Jews a distant 8'th.

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2008, 10:01:03 AM »
Jews vote for democrats because they are leftists first, and Jews a distant 8'th.

Exactly. They're JINO (Jews in name only.)  80% of frum Yidden voted for McCain!
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2008, 10:43:21 AM »
Any explanations why Jews are so leftist?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p2

I think we've all seen lots of attempts to explain this insanity.

Who knows what the reasons might be ?

One can go insane trying to understand insanity.

The Rav would often say that as a people, Jews were in dire need of a 'national couch'.

How such an intellectually gifted people can be so devoid of a self-preservation instinct is beyond belief, and quite possibly beyond rational explanation.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2008, 10:56:13 AM »
How such an intellectually gifted people can be so devoid of a self-preservation instinct is beyond belief, and quite possibly beyond rational explanation.

Because if he doesn't believe the Torah, then the intellectual will see no reason to be jewish. So they would remove what they see as artificial boundaries. Not to marry non-jews e.t.c.

But I would be interested to see Sparky's explanation on why it is that many jews are leftist.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 11:11:30 AM »
I think this marxist attitude is mainly a problem of reformed and liberal Jews.

Reformed Judaism is imo a sort of Christianity without Jesus. Basically reformed Jews have the same views on theological issues than Christians. The most important point that divides Christians as well as reformed Jews from orthodox Judaism is their point of view of the mosaic law. Christians, like reformed Jews, reject the ritual parts of this law. They focus on the moral /ethical part and ignore the cermonies, which destine the life of every orthodox Jew. If liberal Jews have some cermonies, they are only external, because the participating persons don't acknowledge, that they are necessary for salvation.

But the problem is that this worldview has on Protestants a totally different effect than on reformed Jews, althrough they have the same point of view on this central theological problem. You can see this clearly in the chart.

While fundamental protestants divide in general strictly between fleshly and sacred, reformed Jews are trying  - the more they identify themselve with their religion the clearer you see it - to bring the garden of Eden to humanity with all kinds of utopias inclusive mainly the Marxist one. They see their task in life to bring salvation, like they understood, to humanity.

I think all in all reformed Judaism as well as Marxism have their sources in misunderstood Christianity, not in Judaism.

If you read the gospels and you confuse fleshly and sacred/spiritual statements and you will live by this concept you will become a marxist prototype.

The connection between Marxism and Judaism is not really a Jewish problem, but a Christian one that infiltrated Judaism during the Haskala, that Moses Mendelssohn started.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 11:20:50 AM »
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If you read the gospels and you confuse fleshly and sacred/spiritual statements and you will live by this concept you will become a marxist prototype.

The connection between Marxism and Judaism is not really a Jewish problem, but a Christian one that infiltrated Judaism during the Haskala, that Moses Mendelssohn started.

can you elaborate on that.. what the statements are and how they can be confused.

I heard an interesting remark by Dr Cornel West on Bill Maher. He said somehing laong the lines of  - "Jesus fed the poor, I guess they'd say jesus was a socialist"

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2008, 11:42:08 AM »
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If you read the gospels and you confuse fleshly and sacred/spiritual statements and you will live by this concept you will become a marxist prototype.

The connection between Marxism and Judaism is not really a Jewish problem, but a Christian one that infiltrated Judaism during the Haskala, that Moses Mendelssohn started.

can you elaborate on that.. what the statements are and how they can be confused.

I heard an interesting remark by Dr Cornel West on Bill Maher. He said somehing laong the lines of  - "Jesus fed the poor, I guess they'd say jesus was a socialist"
I think a good explanation is that if you are fleshly, you focus mainly on material things in this world and if you are spiritual you focus mainly on your private relation to God and you seek your reward in the world to come.

So if you hear i.e. a story from the Bible that talks about social justice, if you are spiritual you ask first youself what wants god from me and then you act secretly. I.e. you put a little bit money in an envelope and throw it at night in the mailbox of your suffering brother.

If you are fleshly, you go out and become a Socialist and try to take the property from other people away in order to spread the wealth around in order to become a powerfull political leader that is admired from all the people for his social attitude.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2008, 11:44:54 AM »
Non-right wing, White Jews have their own minds just like anyone else.   

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2008, 11:55:16 AM »
How such an intellectually gifted people can be so devoid of a self-preservation instinct is beyond belief, and quite possibly beyond rational explanation.

Because if he doesn't believe the Torah, then the intellectual will see no reason to be jewish. So they would remove what they see as artificial boundaries. Not to marry non-jews e.t.c.

But I would be interested to see Sparky's explanation on why it is that many jews are leftist.

Certainly what you say is true and explains why Jews decrease in numbers and disappear through assimilation. But it doesn't really explain why non-Torah believing Jews or secular Jews are so predominantly leftists.

There could well be a link between non-religious people in general being predisposed to adhering to the Marxist belief that 'religion is the opiate of the masses'. Conversely, this could partly explain why religious people apparently gravitate towards conservatism.

But why would an intelligent people overwhelmingly and consistently embrace a failed leftist ideology and political candidates that will act against their interests, even if they're not religious ?

It just doesn't make sense.

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Re: 83% of White Jews voted for Osama
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2008, 12:31:46 PM »
The Jews that voted for Osama are the scum of the earth. They still think Whites are the biggest anti-Semites when in fact it's the Blacks and Muslims. Osama's church was as anti-Jewish as the KKK but these dumb kikes still voted for him to counter so called white racism. They were the biggest supporters for Osama behind Blacks.

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Re: 83% of White Jews voted for Osama
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2008, 12:34:19 PM »
Here's what Osama thinks of the Jews who voted for him:


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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2008, 12:42:44 PM »
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If you read the gospels and you confuse fleshly and sacred/spiritual statements and you will live by this concept you will become a marxist prototype.

The connection between Marxism and Judaism is not really a Jewish problem, but a Christian one that infiltrated Judaism during the Haskala, that Moses Mendelssohn started.

can you elaborate on that.. what the statements are and how they can be confused.

I heard an interesting remark by Dr Cornel West on Bill Maher. He said somehing laong the lines of  - "Jesus fed the poor, I guess they'd say jesus was a socialist"
I think a good explanation is that if you are fleshly, you focus mainly on material things in this world and if you are spiritual you focus mainly on your private relation to G-d and you seek your reward in the world to come.

So if you hear i.e. a story from the Bible that talks about social justice, if you are spiritual you ask first youself what wants G-d from me and then you act secretly. I.e. you put a little bit money in an envelope and throw it at night in the mailbox of your suffering brother.

If you are fleshly, you go out and become a Socialist and try to take the property from other people away in order to spread the wealth around in order to become a powerfull political leader that is admired from all the people for his social attitude.

that is extremely interesting..

how about govt spending on education, and health care..

which  of the two interpretations would you put that under?
it doesn't seem to fit those 2 examples/interpretations.

would you consider it socialist and evil?



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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2008, 01:01:45 PM »
How such an intellectually gifted people can be so devoid of a self-preservation instinct is beyond belief, and quite possibly beyond rational explanation.

Because if he doesn't believe the Torah, then the intellectual will see no reason to be jewish. So they would remove what they see as artificial boundaries. Not to marry non-jews e.t.c.

But I would be interested to see Sparky's explanation on why it is that many jews are leftist.

Certainly what you say is true and explains why Jews decrease in numbers and disappear through assimilation. But it doesn't really explain why non-Torah believing Jews or secular Jews are so predominantly leftists.

There could well be a link between non-religious people in general being predisposed to adhering to the Marxist belief that 'religion is the opiate of the masses'. Conversely, this could partly explain why religious people apparently gravitate towards conservatism.

But why would an intelligent people overwhelmingly and consistently embrace a failed leftist ideology and political candidates that will act against their interests, even if they're not religious ?

It just doesn't make sense.

Also, because no boundaries, we are all part of the human race.
How am I any less important than the starving african.
 
Now, it's obvious to any sensible person that some people really do have more innate ability than others.  And that other people e.g. arabs, dont play by those rules. 

They are ideological and going for a Star Trek like ideal..

Really if you watch star trek you see no greater example of the intellectual ideal.

I symptahise with it, but I realise that a)we have the torah b)these other groups aren't playing by those nice rules!

Even in Star Trek, when it comes to aliens, you only get one or two nice ones!!

But as far as they are concerned, they ar eon the starship enterprise. They are trying to promote those values..

You could say it is against their self interest, but that -is- their interest, their worldview. 

There is an arrogance to it, in having contempt for the arabs or other peoples, thinking they would throw away their tribal culture for the western one..

If they can get more foreign people adopting their ideology, living in their society, then they are setting an example to more. Spreading their world-view.

There is an argument within that. Of multi-culturalism(Celebrating diversity, even bending over backwards or I could say, forwards, for minorities) vs the melting pot(see the light, come in, adapt).

The multi-cultiuralists are extreme leftists, who celebrate other cultures in some attempt to make society more accomodating. They are very ideological about all humanity. They don't say "this guy's useless, we can't have him here".
They try to adapt society to fit him in. To create their starship enterprise.

But of course, notice that the starship enterprise wasn't actually that big!
It was never a standard forced on the entire world.

Leftists want to make the whole world like the starship enterprise. It's very ideological and also very naiive. Even the thing itself, was never meant to be that accomodating, even the science fiction writers knew it wouldn't have worked!

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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2008, 01:16:06 PM »
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If you read the gospels and you confuse fleshly and sacred/spiritual statements and you will live by this concept you will become a marxist prototype.

The connection between Marxism and Judaism is not really a Jewish problem, but a Christian one that infiltrated Judaism during the Haskala, that Moses Mendelssohn started.

can you elaborate on that.. what the statements are and how they can be confused.

I heard an interesting remark by Dr Cornel West on Bill Maher. He said somehing laong the lines of  - "Jesus fed the poor, I guess they'd say jesus was a socialist"
I think a good explanation is that if you are fleshly, you focus mainly on material things in this world and if you are spiritual you focus mainly on your private relation to G-d and you seek your reward in the world to come.

So if you hear i.e. a story from the Bible that talks about social justice, if you are spiritual you ask first youself what wants G-d from me and then you act secretly. I.e. you put a little bit money in an envelope and throw it at night in the mailbox of your suffering brother.

If you are fleshly, you go out and become a Socialist and try to take the property from other people away in order to spread the wealth around in order to become a powerfull political leader that is admired from all the people for his social attitude.

that is extremely interesting..

how about govt spending on education, and health care..

which  of the two interpretations would you put that under?
it doesn't seem to fit those 2 examples/interpretations.

would you consider it socialist and evil?




I think none of this two fields are a natural task for a gouvernment. I think if you transmit my example to health care and education the solution would be the private sector inclusive the religious communities or simply private persons.

But in general I am not shure, if I would be able to wield political power, without loosing my salvation. I think the location for Christians is the community and not the political office. Everybody is today so confident, that he/she will conquer the fleshly world, but the reality proofs that the fleshly world conquers you in the end.

I doubt sometimes if democracy is the best form of gouvernance. Perhaps is a strictly liberal (in the real meaning of Hayek and Friedman) changeless form of gouvernance the best. Democracy had always the attitude to turn into Socialism. Even Gaius Julius Caesar in Rome was a Socialist of the party of the Populares.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populares

Later after the French revolution this country created a lot of leaders with socialist attitudes i.e Napoleon.

Imo strict liberalism is the best for Jews and Christians in gentile countries, because it guarantees the freedom of faith, personal freedom and economic freedom.


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I have found a few important passages, that if you undertsand them fleshly, you will see that Judaism is not the source of Socialism, but misunderstood Christianity is.


1. There is the story of the rich man, the camel and the needle eye

There are three different versions of it in Matthew 19:16 ff, in Marc 10:17 ff and in Luke 18:18 ff


2. The so called sermon on the mountain

Matthew 5:1 ff


also important are the letters of Paul. A lot of times he speaks there about caring for the poor.

So in 2. Kor 9:6 ff and in Jacobus 2:1 ff.


If somebody will take this statements out of context and he will understand it in an material way, it makes him idealizing the poor and will bring him directly to Socialism.

The problem with it is only that it is clearly not meant in this direction.

It is clear that the passages meanthe personal relation to the wealth and the poor. They claim nowhere to redistribute the wealth of foreign people, like Obama, Wright & co. have understood. Actually this is imo simply stealing.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2008, 01:19:42 PM »
How such an intellectually gifted people can be so devoid of a self-preservation instinct is beyond belief, and quite possibly beyond rational explanation.

Because if he doesn't believe the Torah, then the intellectual will see no reason to be jewish. So they would remove what they see as artificial boundaries. Not to marry non-jews e.t.c.

But I would be interested to see Sparky's explanation on why it is that many jews are leftist.

Certainly what you say is true and explains why Jews decrease in numbers and disappear through assimilation. But it doesn't really explain why non-Torah believing Jews or secular Jews are so predominantly leftists.

There could well be a link between non-religious people in general being predisposed to adhering to the Marxist belief that 'religion is the opiate of the masses'. Conversely, this could partly explain why religious people apparently gravitate towards conservatism.

But why would an intelligent people overwhelmingly and consistently embrace a failed leftist ideology and political candidates that will act against their interests, even if they're not religious ?

It just doesn't make sense.

Also, because no boundaries, we are all part of the human race.
How am I any less important than the starving african.
 
Now, it's obvious to any sensible person that some people really do have more innate ability than others.  And that other people e.g. arabs, dont play by those rules. 

They are ideological and going for a Star Trek like ideal..

Really if you watch star trek you see no greater example of the intellectual ideal.

I symptahise with it, but I realise that a)we have the torah b)these other groups aren't playing by those nice rules!

Even in Star Trek, when it comes to aliens, you only get one or two nice ones!!

But as far as they are concerned, they ar eon the starship enterprise. They are trying to promote those values..

You could say it is against their self interest, but that -is- their interest, their worldview. 

There is an arrogance to it, in having contempt for the arabs or other peoples, thinking they would throw away their tribal culture for the western one..

If they can get more foreign people adopting their ideology, living in their society, then they are setting an example to more. Spreading their world-view.

There is an argument within that. Of multi-culturalism(Celebrating diversity, even bending over backwards or I could say, forwards, for minorities) vs the melting pot(see the light, come in, adapt).

The multi-cultiuralists are extreme leftists, who celebrate other cultures in some attempt to make society more accomodating. They are very ideological about all humanity. They don't say "this guy's useless, we can't have him here".
They try to adapt society to fit him in. To create their starship enterprise.

But of course, notice that the starship enterprise wasn't actually that big!
It was never a standard forced on the entire world.

Leftists want to make the whole world like the starship enterprise. It's very ideological and also very naiive. Even the thing itself, was never meant to be that accomodating, even the science fiction writers knew it wouldn't have worked!

You might be onto something here. After all, Captain Kirk and Spock were Jewish.

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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2008, 02:10:43 PM »
Isn't it stated somewhere in the bible that 2/3 of the Jews will be destroyed for their wickedness? Are these the wicked Jews?

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2008, 02:21:51 PM »
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Leftists want to make the whole world like the starship enterprise. It's very ideological and also very naiive. Even the thing itself, was never meant to be that accomodating, even the science fiction writers knew it wouldn't have worked!

You might be onto something here. After all, Captain Kirk and Spock were Jewish.

That's not exactly the line of thought.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2008, 02:46:37 PM »
that is extremely interesting..

how about govt spending on education, and health care..

which  of the two interpretations would you put that under?
it doesn't seem to fit those 2 examples/interpretations.

would you consider it socialist and evil?




I think none of this two fields are a natural task for a gouvernment. I think if you transmit my example to health care and education the solution would be the private sector inclusive the religious communities or simply private persons.


interesting, but I mean that if the public sector is funding health care and education, would you say that is stealing too?

I guess you would.

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you make many interesting points about democracy leading to socialism,those 2 authors, and christians not seeking office..

Imo strict liberalism is the best for Jews and Christians in gentile countries, because it guarantees the freedom of faith, personal freedom and economic freedom.

Indeed.  And even those jews crazy enough to stand with terrorists, they know that it's best to live in the west, that's why they live in america and not iran!

I have found a few important passages, that if you undertsand them fleshly, you will see that Judaism is not the source of Socialism, but misunderstood Christianity is.
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I can see the huge difference between charity and welfare..
The latter is stealing. (though with a moral twist)

I was reading this article.. it's a review of a book I haven't read, but the subject is interesting "Why Americans Hate Welfare"
http://web.syr.edu/~jmhorv01/review1.html
It actually said that americans don't mind govt money spent on education and health. I notice you don't fit into that article, besides not being american, you think it should be privatised.

I can tell you that in Britain, nobody talks of abolishing the national health service. It's considered a good thing.

Another big difference between America and Britain is that in America people know what socialism is and see it as evil. In Britain it's not spoken of or demonized.

But certainly the socialist regimes we see are all failures. Corrupt regimes.
China, Russia.

Even the kibbutzim(socialist structures within israel) , they were at one time seen as the one example of socialism working out.  But apparently they failed - economically (putting aside the anti religiousness in most of them).

Are people educated against socialism in Germany. Or is it just America that is?

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2008, 02:51:12 PM »
Self-hating idiot Catholics voted majority Hussein.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2008, 03:24:51 PM »
No, in my schooltime Socialism was promoted. We have had a school school subject, that was called Gemeinschaftskunde (   social studies ). There the teacher, member of the Socialist party SPD, even excused racists with society problems. The idea of personal responsibility was in the years I went to school a foreign term.

I am not opposed to Kibbutz like structures, because if people find together with free will to start a business there is nothing wrong with it.

It can work - look at the Hutterites.

It will be only wrong if people try to enforce it on other people, who don't want it.

And it is a lie, that in Socialism the hierarchies are disestablished and all people becoming brothers. Only the elite is changing.

In the DDR the gouvernment had a special office called KoKo under the leadership of Alexander Schalck-Golodkowski. The main task of it was to bring western trade goods to the elites who lived in luxory, while the people were poor.

Freedom is better than this twisted hypocritical systems. In the end all is about interest and power.

But the worst is if the religious communities melt into the state, like it is fact in Germany and I think great Britain too. In Germany the Central council of Jews in Germany have made a treaty with the gouvernment, like the Protestant church and the catholic church have already. They become through this parastatal institution.

The problem is here clear, that they have to play the tune of the state who pays them. It has destroyd the Churches and now it will destroy the Synagoge communities. They are all so stupid I could puke.

Religious communities can only prosper if they are clearly seperated from the state. This is common sense.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2008, 04:13:42 PM »
No, in my schooltime Socialism was promoted. We have had a school school subject, that was called Gemeinschaftskunde (   social studies ). There the teacher, member of the Socialist party SPD, even excused racists with society problems. The idea of personal responsibility was in the years I went to school a foreign term.

how did you get your education criticising socialism?

any particular books? (the ones by authors mentioned in your signature - Hayek and Freidman ?)

I am not opposed to Kibbutz like structures, because if people find together with free will to start a business there is nothing wrong with it.

It can work - look at the Hutterites.

It will be only wrong if people try to enforce it on other people, who don't want it.

I see.. same difference between welfare and charity.

Also, with charity you can choose a worthy cause..  Welfare can go to those that don't need it.


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But the worst is if the religious communities melt into the state, like it is fact in Germany and I think great Britain too. In Germany the Central council of Jews in Germany have made a treaty with the gouvernment, like the Protestant church and the catholic church have already. They become through this parastatal institution.

The problem is here clear, that they have to play the tune of the state who pays them. It has destroyd the Churches and now it will destroy the Synagoge communities. They are all so stupid I could puke.

Religious communities can only prosper if they are clearly seperated from the state. This is common sense.


There is a big jewish organisations, like the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
It's like the ADL. (The ADL is cleverly named to avert charges that jews only care about our own)
It's not a religious organisation and they don't really represent religious jews.

It has nothing to do with the way the synagogue service is run.

The Govt really don't interfere with how things are done in the synagogue.. Or the events that synagogues have.

And the really religious jews tend to have many smaller services just in homes. The Govt has nothing whatsoever to do with that. It's basically off the radar.. And the govt don't need to have anything to do with it. They couldn't care less! They like the fact that jews are law abiding.

The lubavitch, probably suspect that secular jewish organisations might not represent them.    They do alot of good work with an organisation called "drugs line".  They were actually mentioned by William Hague (the leader of the opposition at one time) ,  in his party's manifesto, as an example to other religious groups.

Gordon Brown (the current british PM) is relatively friendly towards israel. Infact his father was a pastor.  Gordon is very friendly with the current chief rabbi, Jonathan Sacks.   The relationship with jews and the govt is really very good.

And there is no interference at all with how synagogues run.

We say a prayer for the well-being state every week, i'm sure jews all over the world do infact.  I heard that Princess Margaret came to a synagogue service and was flattered by it, it was news to her that we had done so for around , I think I was told it was,  300 years.   It's in the talmud to pray for the well-being (I don't want to say wefare ;-) )  of the state

Definitely no problems with govt interference in our religious affairs.

The Chief Rabbi is largely a PR guy.. It's true that he does run the London Bet Din, an important jewish religious court. And maybe others. But he is more of a figure head to it.  It's the judges that make the decisions on it.. 
He has written a good translation of the prayer book.. with other improvements. So he isn't just PR.  But it's not like with the Pope that he runs the thing.  He's just a rabbi.   He's the rabbi  chosen to represent us to the nations.
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Re: 83% of White Jews voted for Osama
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2008, 04:15:10 PM »
Why haven't they learned their lesson from one holocaust?  And yes self hating Catholics also voted for this abomination.  This world has gone mad, thats it folks we are in the age of the asylum
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