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More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« on: November 13, 2008, 06:32:08 PM »
http://theboard.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/08/the-growing-backlash-against-the-sat/?scp=2&sq=wake%20forest%20smith%20sat&st=cse

Translation.  If you go to college after 2009 be prepared for complete idiots who tie up the class with even more retarded questions than are already being asked. 

I wonder if they are trying to help any specific groups out???


The Growing Backlash Against the SAT
By The Editorial Board
Wake Forest University and Smith College have gotten a lot of attention since their announcements that they will no longer require prospective students to submit SAT and ACT scores with their applications.

The burst of publicity no doubt made their admissions offices happy. At a time when colleges are eager to elevate their brands - and are competing vigorously for students - dropping the SAT and ACT can be a helpful marketing tool.

The Wake Forest and Smith announcements are also part of a backlash against the use — and misuse — of the SAT. A growing number of schools have decided to drop the test, and there is an increasingly fractious debate underway about the validity of using the SAT to predict student performance in college.

The S.A.T., after all, is not a measure of creativity, drive or other factors that can affect student performance. Despite these caveats, the test is widely touted as a sacred index that tells all. Educational rating services evaluate colleges based partly on the SAT scores of their students. Real estate brokers market homes based on the average scores at local public schools. Bond-rating companies even consider SAT scores when judging a college’s creditworthiness.

That debate about the validity of the SAT was kicked up a notch last month, when the College Board released new studies of the test, which was revamped — amid much hullabaloo — three years ago. The Times’ Tamar Lewin wrote that the 3-hour and 45-minute test — with a new written component — “predicts college success no better than the old test, and not quite as well as a student’s high school grades.’’

There is also the troubling fact that SAT scores track with student income. Wake Forest President Nathan O. Hatch took issue with that in an opinion piece in the Washington Post in which he explained his school’s decision to go test-optional.

Mr. Hatch cited a California study, which he said showed that “SAT scores correlated with family income but not with college grades’’ and that “the SAT was the poorest predictor of college performance when compared with high school grades and performance on subject tests.’’

When it looked at admissions applications, Wake Forest “read and evaluated the essays and weighed a range of factors,” Mr. Hatch said. “But we thought that our SAT requirement sent students the opposite message - that in the end what counted was performance on a standardized test.’’

Mr. Hatch believes that the college entry examinations are partly to blame for the dearth of low income students at the best colleges. Reservations along these same lines have prompted a growing number of small liberal arts colleges to drop the test requirement.

Some schools that do so find that they broaden the applicant pool with no decline in academic ability. By following the small-college example, Mr. Hatch says, Wake Forest hopes to encourage momentum for further change.

Are some of the public colleges over-emphasizing the SAT, shutting out students who would otherwise perform well at the college level? According to a 2006 study by the Education Trust, Engines of Inequality, the answer is yes.

It is particularly troubling to see this sort of exclusion occuring at public colleges and universities, which were created with the goal of offering broad access in exchange for taxpayer support. That compact has gone by the boards at flagship campuses, which have increasingly come to define themselves not by whom they include but by how many applicants they keep out - based on SAT scores and other indexes that correlate to an uncomforable extent with wealth.

To put it another way, the flagship campuses are bypassing low income students who have few educational options and competing for high-achieving, high-income students who could attend college just about anywhere.

By going test-optional, Wake Forest and Smith hope to broaden their applicant pools and increase access for groups that are underrepresented at selective schools. Those are worthy goals.

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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 07:33:05 PM »

Freshman College students are already
notorious for needing remedial reading,
remedial math,  remedial spelling,
remedial grammar, remedial history etc.


This will drop low educational standards and entry requirements
from a low point to an even lower point.

This is also the result of giving in to pressure by groups that have
called the SAT exams "culturally biased".


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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 09:52:35 PM »
The amount of dumbing down that is going on in this country is astounding. Taking the SAT should always be a prerequisite for being admitted to college.

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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2008, 09:57:57 PM »
So any fool who can pay or get a grant is allowed in now?

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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2008, 10:04:59 PM »
What better proof of the dumbing down of this country do you need than the election of Obama?  It's already a fait accompli! 


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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2008, 10:31:16 PM »

Freshman College students are already
notorious for needing remedial reading,
remedial math,  remedial spelling,
remedial grammar, remedial history etc.


This will drop low educational standards and entry requirements
from a low point to an even lower point.

This is also the result of giving in to pressure by groups that have
called the SAT exams "culturally biased".




how much lower can they go?  see, again, "groups" calling the SAT "culturally biased."  what does that mean?  too hard?  then study and struggle with it and get rejected from top colleges and go to a community college like the rest of the country.  what they want is the SAT to be 2nd grade level so they can go to Harvard.  they just want another give away and call it "culturally biased," which means Whitey is being mean again not giving us what's coming to use and due to us 'coz of what we've done to them, i.e. oppressed this entire group.  what about us?  aren't we being oppressed, demonized, all our liberties taken away one by one.  the whole country is being undermined.  they brought their nasty ghetto music into our society and now it's "mainstream."  they brought their way of speaking and communicating into our society, so that white kids are barely understood and can't speak proper English.  if it's so terrible here, go move somewhere else.  this culturally biased crap is the same thing that Michelle Obama wrote as her thesis at Princeton.  if it's too hard or you feel it's geared to White people, there are plenty of black colleges.

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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 01:12:09 AM »
1+1 = racist.

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Re: More schools dropping SAT requirment for entry into college
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 01:19:37 AM »










Freshman College students are already
notorious for needing remedial reading,
remedial math,  remedial spelling,
remedial grammar, remedial history etc.


This will drop low educational standards and entry requirements
from a low point to an even lower point.

This is also the result of giving in to pressure by groups that have
called the SAT exams "culturally biased".




how much lower can they go?  see, again, "groups" calling the SAT "culturally biased."  what does that mean?  too hard?  then study and struggle with it and get rejected from top colleges and go to a community college like the rest of the country.  what they want is the SAT to be 2nd grade level so they can go to Harvard.  they just want another give away and call it "culturally biased," which means Whitey is being mean again not giving us what's coming to use and due to us 'coz of what we've done to them, i.e. oppressed this entire group.  what about us?  aren't we being oppressed, demonized, all our liberties taken away one by one.  the whole country is being undermined.  they brought their nasty ghetto music into our society and now it's "mainstream."  they brought their way of speaking and communicating into our society, so that white kids are barely understood and can't speak proper English.  if it's so terrible here, go move somewhere else.  this culturally biased crap is the same thing that Michelle Obama wrote as her thesis at Princeton.  if it's too hard or you feel it's geared to White people, there are plenty of black colleges.




Not to mention high schools offer full semester courses on how to prepare for the sats!

The English part is quite easy actually. The essay is extremely easy. My low score is due to me and my hatred for math thing is I don't accuse it of being biased it's my own fault just dealt with it and moved on. It's quite decent actually I've never encountered racial discrimination in the test itself at all.