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Who had the greatest influence of creating todays economic system

Jewish businessmen
0 (0%)
Calvinist businessmen
2 (28.6%)
Technological    advancement (Steam engine, industry)
4 (57.1%)
Else
1 (14.3%)

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Offline Ulli

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Max Weber vs. Werner Sombart
« on: November 29, 2008, 05:36:13 PM »
There are two theories about the development of the modern capitalist economic system in western countries.

Max Weber



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_weber

and his main work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism



Werner Sombart




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Sombart

and his main work: http://mailstar.net/sombart-jews-capitalism.pdf

The whole book as e-book  :o I have paid a lot money for the original published by Duncker & Humblot  :'(


Both of them were wicked, Sombart seems to be in addition to his love to Socialism at least in his late years turned into an anti-semite. But their thesis are very influential.

Weber said, that the Calvinist businessmen were responsible for creating modern capitalism and Sombart said it were the Jewish businessmen.

Imo none of them was right. Imo it was a process of technological change, that some groups like the two mentioned joined only with more success than others.  :)
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Re: Max Weber vs. Werner Sombart
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2008, 08:02:24 AM »
 Sombart seems to too be not an anti semite but insane

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"the German spirit in a Negro is quite as much within the realm of possibility as the Negro spirit in a German".[5] The antithesis of the German spirit is the Jewish spirit, which is not a matter of being born Jewish or believing in Judaism but is a capitalistic spirit.[6] The English people possess the Jewish spirit and the "chief task" of the German people and National Socialism is to destroy the Jewish spirit.[7]
I wonder if he would like rap music or mayonaise on his french fries :::D :::D :::D Both Calvinists and Jews beleive in hard work
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Re: Max Weber vs. Werner Sombart
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2008, 11:07:23 AM »
I think that capitalism had been evolving in correspondence with the weakening of the stranglehold of the church. I think the first banks in Europe were established in Venice and other Italian provinces. The Venetians were Catholics but not particularly religious nor pious.

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Re: Max Weber vs. Werner Sombart
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 01:39:45 PM »
Sombart seems to too be not an anti semite but insane

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"the German spirit in a Negro is quite as much within the realm of possibility as the Negro spirit in a German".[5] The antithesis of the German spirit is the Jewish spirit, which is not a matter of being born Jewish or believing in Judaism but is a capitalistic spirit.[6] The English people possess the Jewish spirit and the "chief task" of the German people and National Socialism is to destroy the Jewish spirit.[7]
I wonder if he would like rap music or mayonaise on his french fries :::D :::D :::D Both Calvinists and Jews beleive in hard work

What???

 :::D :::D :::D :::D

Look Mord, this is one of the elitist of his time. Of course he was a convinced socialist. He is quite famous for his sociological research. Specially in the USA. Even today.

But it is obvious, that the person who wrote this sentences belonges to the mental asylum and not as Professor at the university

And I doubt seriously that todays Socialists and specially socialist professors have more sanity and reason.

It seems to be a hereditary disease.
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Re: Max Weber vs. Werner Sombart
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 01:40:28 PM »
I think that capitalism had been evolving in correspondence with the weakening of the stranglehold of the church. I think the first banks in Europe were established in Venice and other Italian provinces. The Venetians were Catholics but not particularly religious nor pious.

Yes this is imo a valid point too.
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