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« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2008, 11:46:19 PM »
Sounds like some people would be willing to worship an idol if it meant getting rid of Arabs from the land... That is not what our G-d asks from us. Idolotry is one of three sins which a Jew should die before commiting.
nobody is asking to worship idols here. Just fight the common enemy.

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« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2008, 11:51:36 PM »
an important thing which I missed..

which that article pointed out ..

is it's not just sinning , it's being told to sin for the sake of sinning.

I guess that's the halachic chillul hashem..

A bit like if the arabs were to say "give up land because it's against the torah".

if  it is indeed against the torah
Then even there. since the arabs are not saying that, the situation giving away land there, is not halachically a chillul hashem..  But it is biblically a chillul hashem. Because the the jewish people are weak, and G-d sanctifies his name through us, and people question G-d and say "this is your people" e.t.c. the nations look and mock and say "where is your G-d". Or in the case of muslims, they would say he is with them.

rabbi kahane spoke about (biblical ) chillul hashem and kiddush hashem in his talk to noachides.


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« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2008, 11:59:27 PM »
an important thing which I missed..

which that article pointed out ..

is it's not just sinning , it's being told to sin for the sake of sinning.

I guess that's the halachic chillul hashem..

A bit like if the arabs were to say "give up land because it's against the torah".

if  it is indeed against the torah
Then even there. since the arabs are not saying that, the situation giving away land there, is not halachically a chillul hashem..  But it is biblically a chillul hashem. Because the the jewish people are weak, and G-d sanctifies his name through us, and people question G-d and say "this is your people" e.t.c. the nations look and mock and say "where is your G-d". Or in the case of muslims, they would say he is with them.

rabbi kahane spoke about (biblical ) chillul hashem and kiddush hashem in his talk to noachides.



I am pleased to say I agree fully with your understanding of these halachas in regard to the current situation. I too consider it a Chillul Hashem that Israel is so weak in the world.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2008, 11:59:57 PM »
People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  

This whole thread is becoming very awkward, and I don't want that to happen.  There are some things we might have to agree to disagree on.  

As you all know, JTF wants a Torah-true Kahanist Jewish state of Israel.  That means neutralizing and getting rid of the Arab fifth column threat.  India is in a similar position to Israel, even though they're a bigger country.  So with all the terrorist attacks they've faced, I can't really blame them for wanting India to be a Hindu country where Sikhs, Jains and Christians and other non-troublemakers can freely practice their religions.

As a Jew, I don't like seeing any religious group persecuted.  However, I should also remind everyone that JTF vehemently opposes missionizing to Jews.  So I personally will not criticize Hindu Zionist for wanting the same thing in his own country.  Now with that being said, I don't think JTF should align with any political party that persecutes minorities, since Jews have always been a minority.  

We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain white, non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.


i missed this..

agreed every word of Gold.

Agreed.

Albeit in religious terms the Hindus and Jewish are poles apart and everybody is clear and well aware on this point. No Hindu ever wants or shall want that a single Jew should ever praise Hinduism and no Jewish ever wants or shall wish that a even a single Hindu should convert to Jewish. None of them want in any way to influence each other religiously or nationally.

And as you said {QUOTE} So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat. {UNQUOTE}, in response we should say that "So we should agree with Jewish on everything and we should all out support them against the Muslim threat."

Actually very few of some super orthodox Hindus know very well from very ancient times and accept about the original and special relationship of G_d and Israel with the Jewish. 
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« Reply #154 on: December 09, 2008, 12:12:31 AM »
People, please let's not all get into a fight here.  

This whole thread is becoming very awkward, and I don't want that to happen.  There are some things we might have to agree to disagree on.  

As you all know, JTF wants a Torah-true Kahanist Jewish state of Israel.  That means neutralizing and getting rid of the Arab fifth column threat.  India is in a similar position to Israel, even though they're a bigger country.  So with all the terrorist attacks they've faced, I can't really blame them for wanting India to be a Hindu country where Sikhs, Jains and Christians and other non-troublemakers can freely practice their religions.

As a Jew, I don't like seeing any religious group persecuted.  However, I should also remind everyone that JTF vehemently opposes missionizing to Jews.  So I personally will not criticize Hindu Zionist for wanting the same thing in his own country.  Now with that being said, I don't think JTF should align with any political party that persecutes minorities, since Jews have always been a minority.  

We need to think about this.  We want America to remain a First World country (as in mostly white, with Judeo-Christian values).  We want a Torah true Kahanist Jewish state in Israel.  We want Europe to remain white, non-Muslim.  So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat.


i missed this..

agreed every word of Gold.

Agreed.

Albeit in religious terms the Hindus and Jewish are poles apart and everybody is clear and well aware on this point. No Hindu ever wants or shall want that a single Jew should ever praise Hinduism and no Jewish ever wants or shall wish that a even a single Hindu should convert to Jewish. None of them want in any way to influence each other religiously or nationally.

And as you said {QUOTE} So while we won't agree with Hindu Zionist on everything, we should support them against the Muslim threat. {UNQUOTE}, in response we should say that "So we should agree with Jewish on everything and we should all out support them against the Muslim threat."

Actually very few of some super orthodox Hindus know very well from very ancient times and accept about the original and special relationship of G_d and Israel with the Jewish. 
Yes, a we should work together.

A Hindu Nationalist would even be ready to join a paramilitary of Israel and give answer to Islamic Palestine without thinking twice for his own life.

Hindus have liberated the Temple(Ayodhya) over which a mosque was standing, they wish the Israelis too do such a thing, by liberating their Temple Mount from Islamic clutches.

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« Reply #155 on: December 09, 2008, 12:25:12 AM »
I will say again that I have several friends who are from India. I called my good friend Ram on the Sunday after the Mumbai attacks and we talked for an hour. He and I used to go out to lunch virtually every day for almost 2 years when he worked at my company. We talked about a lot of politics and only very little about religion. We both started at my company about six years ago and he was the person in the cube next to mine.

I have a lot of respect for many Indians. In my current cube I work with an Indian fellow named Sri who is also very friendly and good natured. I have no problem with Indian Hindus. He never said the name of any of his gods in front of me because I told him I didn't want to hear them.

The only thing which Ram said which ticked me off, and I didn't talk to him for another 2 years, is that he could not understand why I was so upset about a restaurant named "Hitlers Cross". I tried to explain that it was a symbol of great agony and pain for the Jewish people. I understand that in his culture the symbol doesnt hold that significance but to call the place "Hitlers Cross"... The insult is obvious. In the end we made up and continue to talk. Ram said India is supportive of Israel and he hopes for Israels success against the Islamic terrorists.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #156 on: December 09, 2008, 12:31:55 AM »
I will say again that I have several friends who are from India. I called my good friend Ram on the Sunday after the Mumbai attacks and we talked for an hour. He and I used to go out to lunch virtually every day for almost 2 years when he worked at my company. We talked about a lot of politics and only very little about religion. We both started at my company about six years ago and he was the person in the cube next to mine.

I have a lot of respect for many Indians. In my current cube I work with an Indian fellow named Sri who is also very friendly and good natured. I have no problem with Indian Hindus. He never said the name of any of his gods in front of me because I told him I didn't want to hear them.

The only thing which Ram said which ticked me off, and I didn't talk to him for another 2 years, is that he could not understand why I was so upset about a restaurant named "Hitlers Cross". I tried to explain that it was a symbol of great agony and pain for the Jewish people. I understand that in his culture the symbol doesnt hold that significance but to call the place "Hitlers Cross"... The insult is obvious. In the end we made up and continue to talk. Ram said India is supportive of Israel and he hopes for Israels success against the Islamic terrorists.
nice.

Yes Hitlers Cross, i have seen that place in South Mumbai.Cant understand why stupid people would dedicate a resto in the memory of murders, and worst how can people go and eat out over there. Good its shutdown now.

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« Reply #157 on: December 09, 2008, 12:52:00 AM »
I will say again that I have several friends who are from India. I called my good friend Ram on the Sunday after the Mumbai attacks and we talked for an hour. He and I used to go out to lunch virtually every day for almost 2 years when he worked at my company. We talked about a lot of politics and only very little about religion. We both started at my company about six years ago and he was the person in the cube next to mine.

I have a lot of respect for many Indians. In my current cube I work with an Indian fellow named Sri who is also very friendly and good natured. I have no problem with Indian Hindus. He never said the name of any of his gods in front of me because I told him I didn't want to hear them.

The only thing which Ram said which ticked me off, and I didn't talk to him for another 2 years, is that he could not understand why I was so upset about a restaurant named "Hitlers Cross". I tried to explain that it was a symbol of great agony and pain for the Jewish people. I understand that in his culture the symbol doesnt hold that significance but to call the place "Hitlers Cross"... The insult is obvious. In the end we made up and continue to talk. Ram said India is supportive of Israel and he hopes for Israels success against the Islamic terrorists.

Yikes.... 'Hitlers Cross??'

By the way... Korea had a bar that idolized the nazis:
http://rokdrop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/hitlerbooth1.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/time/asia/magazine/2000/0605/southkorea.theydressedwell.jpg
http://www.pusanweb.com/feature/hitlerbar/Dec15$07.jpg

And Look at this clothing shop in Hong Kong:
http://www.solomonia.com/images/august03/izzue.jpg
This does NOT mean that Koreans and People from Hong Kong are evil.. .there are just a few ignoramuses.


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« Reply #158 on: December 09, 2008, 12:59:43 PM »
http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-isi-chief-mumbai-and-911-both-inside-jobs.html

QUOTE>>    Former ISI Chief: Mumbai And 9/11 Both “Inside Jobs”

Hamid Gul tells CNN that neo-cons, zionists were behind terror attacks

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, December 8, 2008

General Hamid Gul, the former head of the Pakistani ISI, told CNN yesterday that both the Mumbai attacks and 9/11 were “inside jobs,” much to the chagrin of host and CFR luminary Fareed Zakaria, who told viewers that Gul’s opinions were “absolutely wrong and thoroughly discredited”.

“When you look at the full spectrum of possibilities, who could have done it, then one knows that Samjhauta Express was a similar case, in which Pakistan ISI was accused. But it turned out that it was the militant Hindus themselves who had killed 68 passengers in that train, and that it was an inside job,” said Gul.

“Now Colonel Srikant Purohit, who is a serving army officer, he has been caught in this particular case. And the whole thing has turned around.”

“So, obviously, there is an inside job.”

The revelation that Mukhtar Ahmed, a “counterinsurgency police officer who may have been on an undercover mission” working for Indian authorities was arrested for illegally buying mobile phone cards used by the Mumbai gunmen, allied with the numerous intelligence warnings proving that the method, arrival and targets of attack were all known well in advance, proves Gul right in his assertion that the terrorists could not have achieved such carnage without help from people on the inside.

Asked by Zakaria, “What is your hunch as to who did - who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks?,” Gul responded, “Well, I have been on record, and I said it is the Zionists or the neocons. They have done it. It was an inside job.”

“And they wanted to go on the world conquerors. They were looking upon it as an opportunity window, when the Muslim world was lying prostrate. Russia was nowhere in sight. China was still not an economic giant that is has turned out to be.”

“And they thought that this was a good time to go and fill those strategic areas, which are still lying without any American presence. And, of course, to control the energy tap of the world.”

“Presently, it is the Middle East, and in future it is going to be Central Asia,” added Gul.

Gul told Zakaria that the evidence for 9/11 being planned by Osama Bin Laden and executed by Al-Qaeda has not emerged and that the events are still “shrouded in mystery”.

“A lot of people have a lot of misgivings about that. And it’s not only me. I think a lot of people in America would be thinking the same way. There are scientists, there are scholars, who have written articles on it,” added Gul, calling for President elect Barack Obama to set up a new commission to investigate the attacks.

Gul said the attacks were planned inside America by people with a dangerous agenda who have “turned the world upside-down”.

Returning from a commercial break, Zakaria, editor of Newsweek, Council on Foreign Relations kingpin and also a Trilateral Commission board member, told his viewers, “Some of General Gul’s views are simply false. There is a mountain of evidence about 9/11 that refutes his assertions,” but Zakaria failed to cite any of it.

Zakaria was then joined by counter-insurgency expert David Kilcullen who said that the Mumbai attacks bore all the hallmarks of a “clandestine operation or a covert operation style activity,” but when pressed he refused to directly implicate Pakistan in the attack. <<UNQUOTE
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« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2008, 01:03:50 PM »
Hmm... Hamid Gul may be correct in his assertions, otherwise why am I not finding his name on this most wanted list. [Wink]

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« Reply #160 on: December 14, 2008, 04:19:11 AM »
for anyone wants to know about RSS,cause i saw there is some misunderstanding about this organisation.