JTF members - Chabad House,Mumbai Help

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

As a Hindu Nationalist organisation we are deeply hurt by what happened in Mumbai due to Islamic terrorists, Also the way the Jewish Chabad Centre was attacked.We would like to give condolences on behalf of Hindu Indian community to the family of those who were victims of such brutal,barbaric acts of Islamic aggression.Not only this, we regret the way in which the Indian socialist/communist supported government ordered killing of terrorists without caring for the hostages. The hostages could have been resuced, had the government asked the Security Forces to act intelligently with terrorists, asking them demands for freeing the hostages..then with an intelligent confrontation they could have freed the hostages and captured or killed the terrorists. It is quite apperent why the indian government did not do so,since a confrontartion with the terrorists would have exposed the Islamic agenda of those terrorirts, They cannot expose the Islamic agenda since it would mean going against their Muslim appeasment. We want to bring out the truth in front of the national/world. Let me cut it short what we want to achieve now

1) Expose the government about a lack of will to rescue the Hostages (Chabad House)
2) Why does the government provide security to Islamic holy places/mosques in India, and why not Temples and Synagogues
3) Our organisation would like to personally provide support and condolences to those affected by Chabad House attack
4) Demand for Re-location or Re-construction of the Jewish Center as its in a dilapidated condition now.
5) Inspite of knowing Pakistan as the country where terrorism originates, why was the socialist government of India in talks for a joint Iran-Pakistan-India (joint oil/gas pipleline project.(Iran being another terrorisim supportive nations).


We need some help for this from Jewish community, So i made this thread.If you know some one personally who is connected to Chabbad House of Mumbai or Some of their representatives. We would like to meet them personally and discuss with them these issues.

Well,Most of these issues will be solved when the Hindu Nationalist government (BJP - VHP's political organisation) comes to power hopefully by next year. Still we dont want to keep quite. Its our duty to oppose Islamic aggression against people of India and help people affected by Islamic extremists alike. The local unit of Shiva Sena (our sister hindu nationalist group) had tried to stop the terrorists in Chabad House in vain even before Security guards arrived, source: http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1210643

So,its seriously time we do something constructive jointly.

Please,feel free to PM me, if you think you can be of help.

[Zelhar]

1) Expose the government about a lack of will to rescue the Hostages (Chabad House)

I am not sure that there was anything that could have been done to save the people at Chabad house. I understand they were murdered during the early phase of the attack. Moreover there should be no negotiation with terrorists (except as a delay tactic).

From what I know, India and Iran are good buddies, they have maintained cordial relations even during the BJP's government. This is a real tragedy and I hope that it would be rectified.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

I am not saying, we should have fulfilled their demands, but the government should have atleast got them to speak what their demands are, and then fake up a demand fulfilling ..and free the hostages and then kill the terrorists intelligently ... Exposing their demands would have in turn exposed their Islamic agenda, which the government wanted to prevent.

about BJP,yes that was the reason Hindu Nationalists did not vote for them and they lost the elections..

[SavetheWest]

The BJP is the best bet for India and the world.  They bring Indian and Hindu pride back and can counter against the Pakistani and Muslim threat. It seems the other Indian parties have lost their sense of protection for India.

[mord]

The BJP used to have a site in english it was excellent

[Rubystars]

The BJP are Nazis.



Their militant wing, the RSS, murder people a lot.

If JTF as an organization supports BJP and the murder of my co-religionists then this is going to be a huge problem for me. Watch the video.

[mord]

If there were no moslems in India they would'nt kill

[Zelhar]

If you have reliable information that the government knowingly avoided any attempt to save hostages lives than by all means pursue with this issue forward.

I hope that your long term goals include:
 * Banning Islam from India altogether.

[Rubystars]

If there were no moslems in India they would'nt kill

I want to use stronger words here, but bullcrap!

They murder Sikhs, Christians, and anyone who's not Hindu. They don't hate Muslims for being Muslim, they hate them because they're not Hindu.

JTF must not side with Nazis! Please! I care too much about JTF becoming a true mass movement to let this happen. You can't make an alliance with evil and have it turn out good. I think America learned that when it allied with Osama bin Laden years ago.

[mord]

If there were no moslems in India they would'nt kill

I want to use stronger words here, but bullcrap!

They murder Sikhs, Christians, and anyone who's not Hindu. They don't hate Muslims for being Muslim, they hate them because they're not Hindu.

JTF must not side with Nazis! Please! I care too much about JTF becoming a true mass movement to let this happen. You can't make an alliance with evil and have it turn out good.

I don't know that much about the party i used to look at their forum they never posted hate against anyone but moslems,anyhow i'm not an Indian Rubystars maybe you can ask Indians on the board about them

[Zelhar]

If there were no moslems in India they would'nt kill

I want to use stronger words here, but bullcrap!

They murder Sikhs, Christians, and anyone who's not Hindu. They don't hate Muslims for being Muslim, they hate them because they're not Hindu.

JTF must not side with Nazis! Please! I care too much about JTF becoming a true mass movement to let this happen. You can't make an alliance with evil and have it turn out good. I think America learned that when it allied with Osama bin Laden years ago.

What are you basing your accusations on, what are your sources ? I've never heard of murderous persecution going on in India.

[Zelhar]

Should JTF not support white southerners because a bunch of them belong to the KKK ?

[Rubystars]

BJP--RSS Relationship:
http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers2/paper153.htm

"Undeterred by the wide-range reaction against his presence in Agra meet of the RSS, Advani categorically asserted before the press that the "historical bond" between the RSS and  BJP is such that the latter cannot dissociate itself from the former.  The unbreakable bond between the BJP led coalition and the RSS is based on moral principles.  Reminding his opponents about the roots of his party, he said, " We walked out of the Janata Party Government because we were told to dissociate ourselves from the RSS.  The forces, which are bent on raising the issue once again should be reminded that the BJP was born after that very experiment."  Equating the ties between the RSS and the BJP somewhat akin to that of Nehru led Congress Government, with Gandhian philosophy, he asked his opponents, "did anyone question the Nehru Government on Gandhian philosophy - on issues relating to cow slaughter?"

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-51440.html
"Hitler inspires the BJP and its ideology in a sustained manner."

[Rubystars]

Should JTF not support white southerners because a bunch of them belong to the KKK ?

Southerners just like others will almost always oppose the KKK, and the KKK really has no power anymore anyway.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

The BJP are Nazis.



Their militant wing, the RSS, murder people a lot.

If JTF as an organization supports BJP and the murder of my co-religionists then this is going to be a huge problem for me. Watch the video.

nice propoganda video, you will find a few videos like this made by socialist,commies to defame a nationalist movement..

Secondly,organisations like RSS work in many countires across the world, if they indeed are killing innocent people then i challenge the government of respective countires to ban them. If they cannot, then it simply means that there is no proof on their involvement in any kind of Genoside.

Many Muslims were killed during Gujarat Riots, but those were carried out by local Gujaratis as a retaliation to what Muslims did to them(that is burning of train carrying hindu pilgrims)

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-51440.html
"Hitler inspires the BJP and its ideology in a sustained manner."

Going through the news piece, its so obvious, that its a opposition of one political party to another political party.

It is just battle between two parties making statement at other (Congress to BJP) , trying to cash in on Muslim Vote bank.

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Let me make some things clear,with an example

One man(Patriotic leader - Freedom fighter) who is dear to Hindu Nationalist organisation (BJP,RSS..etc) is Veer Savarkar. The man who started the Whole Hindu Nationalism movement. You can say he is to Hindu what Kahane is to Jewish Nationalists

http://ameyap.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/tribute-to-veer-savarkar/

Emulate Israel:

He strongly criticized the anti Israel stand adopted by Nehru and the congress and described it as a pro muslim agenda, he also congratulated the Jewish state on its formation and extended his good wishes. He saw Israel as a decisive ally of India and Hindus in general, as Israel was the only nation which could checkmate the aggressive lobbying of Muslim states from Africa to Asia. He asked Hindus to emulate the Jews. Veer Savarkar saw the Jews as allies in a common struggle. In his famous Hindutva of 1923, he wrote:

“if the Zionists’ dreams were realised, if Palestine became a Jewish State, it would gladden us almost as much as our Jewish friends.”

Savarkar had been pro-Zionist since 1908 and remained so as Bharat’s betrayers went in the opposite direction. In 1952, Savarkar looked to the Jews an example for the Hindu to emulate if they wished to be a modern nation:

“Even a tiny state like Israel has sensibly started developing fish field and sand fruits and because of that they are able to meet the needs of the countless immigrants who would have otherwise half-starved. The Jews are a brave and intelligent people. And although their State looks like a child before our great state of Bharat we must emulate its example.”

And its after so many years of boot licking the Arabs and Palestinians on the issue of Palestine conflict with Israel, which was obviously done to appease the Muslim vote bank in India, we have realised that neither the Arab states or the Palestine has hardly supported India on any issue, most importantly on the Kashmir issue where Palestine unequivocally supports Pakistan, inside and outside UN. So all out friendship with Israel has become must, if India needs to check terrorism and get high tech weapons to counter Pakistan, as well as India Israel USA axis can work well against Jihadi states like Pakistan.

Savarkar was unfortunately not taken seriously by the Secularist intellectualls of those days and even today the English press continues to lampoon him, his sacrifices, his sufferings, his patriotism, his views are all forgotten and despised just because he was a right wing Hindutvavadi. But slowly people are recognizing th futulity of Gandhism and slowly moving close to Savarkari-niti or the Savarkar way. One day we will surely realise his dream of a united Hindu nation.

Now what do you guys think, will the organisations whose vision was provided by the Leader Savarkar who was very Pro-Zionist, can ever take to Nazism?

[Rubystars]

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-51440.html
"Hitler inspires the BJP and its ideology in a sustained manner."

Going through the news piece, its so obvious, that its a opposition of one political party to another political party.

It is just battle between two parties making statement at other (Congress to BJP) , trying to cash in on Muslim Vote bank.

Stop defending Nazis and those who commit genocide! BJP and RSS are Nazis! I won't shut up about this!

The RSS is slaughtering Christians and other non-Hindus right now. How can you deny what's going on in the present day?

[syyuge]

Obviously a lot of evil propaganda has been spread in the west by the Euro-Communists and their Indian agents.

Ultimately it has to be understood that the Euro-Communists are hands in gloves with the global Islamic Jihadi Terrorism and so many other evils that need not to be named. So one need not to be impressed by any such propaganda.   

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-51440.html
"Hitler inspires the BJP and its ideology in a sustained manner."

Going through the news piece, its so obvious, that its a opposition of one political party to another political party.

It is just battle between two parties making statement at other (Congress to BJP) , trying to cash in on Muslim Vote bank.

Stop defending Nazis and those who commit genocide! BJP and RSS are Nazis! I won't shut up about this!

The RSS is slaughtering Christians and other non-Hindus right now. How can you deny what's going on in the present day?

Then question the governments of USA,UK..etc to ban these organisations in their countries.. Its simple there is not substantial evidence that BJP and RSS conduct pogroms on non-Hindus..

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Obviously a lot of evil propaganda has been spread in the west by the Euro-Communists and their Indian agents.

Ultimately it has to be understood that the Euro-Communists are hands in gloves with the global Islamic Jihadi Terrorism and so many other evils that need not to be named. So one need not to be impressed by any such propaganda.   

absolutely

[Rubystars]

The only evil propganda I'm seeing is from the RSS  Nazi supporters here on this forum.

Everyone needs to see the youtube video I posted earlier.

http://eurweb.com/story/eur49162.cfm

Now the stakes are even higher – and pastors have a bounty on their heads. Faiz Rahman, chairman of Good News India, said Hindu militants are targeting Christian leaders, the Christian Post reported.


     "The going price to kill a pastor is $250," he said.


     Rahman, a head of several orphanages in Orissa State, said he's helped 25 pastors leave refugee camps, but 250 Christian leaders are still in shelters.


     "All of the pastors are high value targets," Rahman told the UK-based Release International. "We've got to get them out of the refugee camps."


     An All-India Christian Council spokesman said, "People are being offered rewards to kill, and to destroy churches and Christian properties. They are being offered foreign liquor, chicken, mutton and weapons. They are given petrol and kerosene."

[Rubystars]

Then question the governments of USA,UK..etc to ban these organisations in their countries.. Its simple there is not substantial evidence that BJP and RSS conduct pogroms on non-Hindus..

That statement is nothing but a lie. How dare you lie to the good people of this forum? How dare you take advantage of them? You have a lot of nerve.

Here's a documentary of extreme Hindu violence against others:



"Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die."

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

The videos you have posted have nothing to do with RSS or the BJP, its talks of Hindu extremists, there are extremists who are in every community, the society has to get rid of them.

Also what is happening in a Small village or tribal town in a state of India, does not mean its happening All over the country.

On a personal note,i am also deeply sadned by whats going on in that particular part of India,I hope sanity prevail there.

Also if there are Hindu extremists,they are in very small numbers, also the probabilty of Hindu Nationalists taking up arms is very rare, if that was the case,The British would not have ruled over India for 100 years and the Islamic rulers for more than 400 years.

[syyuge]

Hmmm... Creation by and the inclusion of the names like Faiz Rahman and Burhan Wazir clearly indicates that it is an IJT and/or Euro-Communist propaganda.

If someone is not able to understand such a simple thing, then it goes beyond doubt.