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Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 19, 2008, 03:18:07 PM ---The Christian will kill the Jew spiritually (Assimiliation/Intermarriage and Crusades/Inquisitions)
The Muslim will kill the Jew physically (Jihad)
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I tried to respond to this on Friday, but it was literally the very last second before the forum closed for Shabbat and my reply was not saved.
I know what you are saying, but what I can say is that intermarriage, at least, is strongly condemned by Christianity just as much as it is in Judaism. No true Christian would advocate marrying Jews or any other non-Christians. It is a huge sin to us too.
q_q_:
Tzvi just posted a video to make more jews more into judaism..It critiqued christianity (and islam). He posted it to gentiles.. Doing that -is- bashing christianity (and islam).
I posted a long response as to why that was wrong. explanation(relevant to future posts too).. And as they deleted tzvi's post, they deleted mine..
(they may have deleted mine because I said that christianity caused us problems, it taking 2000 years to domesticate.. but most christians here would agree we have had around 2000 years of misery from people that call themselves christians. I think they deleted mine because they thought it wasn't relevant anymore since tzvi deleted his post. But it is relevant to the future)
in short I said that you shouldn't bash christianity in good times or bad times.
my post was deleted with tzvi's.
anyhow, beware..
I really can't be bothered if this sort of thing happens.
it takes time to write a post.
and it is still very relevant to my position in the future when this happens again , these things are posted again and the merits and demerits of posting them are discussed. I don't like going through all my thoughts again unnecessarily.. And I dont like repeating myself. And it's a waste of time.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: DownwithIslam on December 19, 2008, 06:56:18 AM ---I also didn't like how he seems to bash the "goyim" alot when their are many bible believing christian supporters of Israel. Many of the videos he posts are titles "debate vs christian." Wouldn't it be better if he bashed islam?
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True, I am all in favor of "live and let live" when it comes to christians and not attempting to proselytize christians.
However, the christian he debated was a Jew who had converted to christianity. When the Christian world spends millions of dollars every year to convert Jews to christianity, Jews are required to respond. And that is what Rabbi Mizrahi was doing. I do not oppose him on that at all.
As far as bashing goyim, I am not in favor of that. But Goyim that attack the Jewish people, physically or spiritually must be responded to.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: Tzvi Ben Roshel on December 19, 2008, 09:04:24 AM --- Why doesn't he bash islam? - He does disprove it also (easily), but like he said, he doesn't need and doesn't want to talk too harshly agains't islam because 1- Its not really popular for Jews to convert to it, and 2- he feels their is no need to needlessly put himself in danger because they are fanatics who kill people that speak harsh words agains't them. Christians on the other hand wont harm him, so he speaks his mind freely agains't that religion (which in a way is a complement becuase at least things can openly be said, as opposed to Islam whom you cant have open dialogue without being afraid of getting killed- like it used to be with the christians in europe).
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I don't think that fear of Islamic fanatics should be taken into account.
Maimonides bashed Muhammad and Islam while living as a dhimmi under the Islamic Califate. If he wasn't afraid, neither should Rabbi Mizrahi be afraid.
New Yorker:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 20, 2008, 06:33:25 PM ---
--- Quote from: New Yorker on December 20, 2008, 06:27:25 PM ---
Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile?
You have already done it, the first two-thirds of the Christian bible is the Torah, Genesis, the books of Moses, so if you are a Christian you've already technically accepted it. It is a non-issue, you are already there.
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no. When Jews say Torah, it means Written and Oral. It means the Torah belief in G-d(not a trinity).
And it means accepting, as the oral law says, that G-d gave 7 laws to Adam and Noah.
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Whatever, for a Gentile, following the written law is enough, in practical terms how are they even going to have access to the Oral Law, they don't attend synagogue. And if they do, well, they might as well convert for all that trouble.
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