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Accepting the Torah, But Remaining a Gentile
judeanoncapta:
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--- Quote from: ~Hanna~ on December 18, 2008, 05:40:18 AM ---Please explain....this Charismatic thing....cuz the Christians have Charismatic's too.....so I would like to know.
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Charismatics are members of an established monotheistic, Biblical faith (Christianity or Judaism) who, albeit being theologically orthodox, are more experientially and "Spirit"--oriented than their brethren in the same faiths. They emphasize joy, celebration, G-d's love, and welcoming/outreaching to all fellow Christians and Jews more than doctrinal matters. In Christianity, the Pentecostal (like Assemblies of G-d, which is Sarah Palin's church) and Calvary Chapel denominations are "charismatic". In Judaism, the Lubavitch/Chabad and Breslov Chasidim movements are "charismatic".
One thing to note is that the charismatic Christians are especially likely to be strong Zionists.
If one wants to discuss Nazi religions, you could probably call the Sufis/Dervishes "charismatic Muslims", but I prefer not to pollute the term by applying it to devil-worship.
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Actually during the crusades, Saladin invited Sufi Imams to watch his men behead prisoners of war. They gleefully accepted.
So therefore charismatic Muslims are charismatic about Islam. Which means being charismatic about Bloodshed and Death.
In fact one of the main Islamic factions who are building up toward violent revolution in Morrocco are Sufi.
Also the Chechens belong to a Sufi sect and they've blowing up Infidels for quite a while now.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 01:46:56 PM ---I thought Chabad were extremely Zionist.
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No, Chabad beleives that the State of Israel should never have been established but now that it is and the Arabs would slaughter us if we give them half a chance, it should be maintained as a matter of life and death.
They do not view the establishment of the State as part of any Messianic or End Times scenario.
I beleive lubab would say the same thing I just wrote. He has written it in other threads.
I disagree with this position wholeheartedly and so does Chaim, but that is the Chabad position.
Harzel:
I just want to make it clear, by anti-zionist I mean the Charedim who consider the establishment of any Jewish state before Meshiach comes as a rebellion against God.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 01:59:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 01:46:56 PM ---I thought Chabad were extremely Zionist.
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No, Chabad beleives that the State of Israel should never have been established but now that it is and the Arabs would slaughter us if we give them half a chance, it should be maintained as a matter of life and death.
They do not view the establishment of the State as part of any Messianic or End Times scenario.
I beleive lubab would say the same thing I just wrote. He has written it in other threads.
I disagree with this position wholeheartedly and so does Chaim, but that is the Chabad position.
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and of course not just chabad..
Maybe religious zionists are a minority of orthodox jews even in israel.
judeanoncapta:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on December 18, 2008, 02:06:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: judeanoncapta on December 18, 2008, 01:59:01 PM ---
--- Quote from: C.F. on December 18, 2008, 01:46:56 PM ---I thought Chabad were extremely Zionist.
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No, Chabad beleives that the State of Israel should never have been established but now that it is and the Arabs would slaughter us if we give them half a chance, it should be maintained as a matter of life and death.
They do not view the establishment of the State as part of any Messianic or End Times scenario.
I beleive lubab would say the same thing I just wrote. He has written it in other threads.
I disagree with this position wholeheartedly and so does Chaim, but that is the Chabad position.
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and of course not just chabad..
Maybe religious zionists are a minority of orthodox jews even in israel.
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No, it's about half and half.
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