Regarding the latest fake video, was that for me?

[yamyam1]

this is my response to this latest video that was "supposedly" done recently by "peace now"
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,30082.0.html

Nice try Chaim...
but here's the original video from the REAL "peace now" guy,

notice he doesn't enthusiastically plug the site's address on the screen like your version.

and by the way those fake text videos don't require any video equipment,
all you need is windows movie maker which comes with every edition of Windows XP.
so it's a nice solution for you I guess to keep being an influence in youtube
until you get all of your video gear set up...

people have to realize that the last thing peace now would do
is publish the site's address so much, and write chaim's talking points word for word.
If you have a functioning brain and can read hebrew, you can tell it's chaim
or one of the hebrew admins/moderators, it's a shame you choose to lie to your followers,
Rabbie kahane zt"l would NEVER approve of this.

I know I said I won't talk about this anymore, but this video was meant to debunk my claims
and it almost worked, I was about to write a long apology here, until I saw the same video
in the real anti chaim account which is spelled "antihaimbenpesach"(lowercase) as apposed to JTF's mock account "AntiChaimBenPesach".

you wanna ban people for insisting JTF remains true and honest? fine.
obviously you know I'm not peace now, you know I'm right about this, and it's bothering you
that there's a kahanist jew that is criticizing you - fine, I get it.
but you'll never become a mass movement by trying to quiet people that criticize you when you're wrong.

And by the way, as opposed to what you may think, I'm a big fan of yours.
I think you are a gifted speaker and a brilliant debater,
and that's why it saddens me to be attacked like this
for criticizing what I consider to be a bad move for JTF.
I criticize this decision to make fake videos ONLY because
I hate to see JTF losing it's credibility as a movement.
if you don't want to publicly admit you're behind the fake videos, that's ok.
but PLEASE stop making and posting them on the forum, it will only cause damage to this movement.

[Rubystars]

IF you were such a big fan of Chaim and really cared about the movement, you would have brought these concerns up in private message. However by doing this publically it is clear that you're just trying to spread suspicion and insane rumors. The Peace Now scum have more than one account on Zootube and these videos are not made by JTF. Why in the world would Chaim accuse himself of some of the horrible things that PeaceNow has lied about?

[yamyam1]

IF you were such a big fan of Chaim and really cared about the movement, you would have brought these concerns up in private message. However by doing this publically it is clear that you're just trying to spread suspicion and insane rumors. The Peace Now scum have more than one account on Zootube and these videos are not made by JTF. Why in the world would Chaim accuse himself of some of the horrible things that PeaceNow has lied about?

You're right, I was wrong to do it publicly, but it's done
now we need to deal with it.

You know as well as I do
that "peace now" won't digg up a year old video
slap the JTF address on it and re upload it, it makes no sense!

Why in the world would Chaim accuse himself of some of the horrible things that PeaceNow has lied about?

That's very simple.

a. to generate a buzz on the forum (attacks on a group will always cause people to unite)
b. Appealing to rightwing yet non-kahanist viewers to learn more about JTF using reverse psychology,
hoping that people will be tempted to visit the site, and then learn more about the Rabbie's ideas and prophecies.
this is actually something that chaim has advocated before to promote JTF, writing fake "anti" comments
and adding a link to JTF, that way you don't get banned in the leftwing sites, AND you achieve the goal of promoting JTF.

Look guys, if you're going to attack and accuse every jew who criticize you of being a "lefty",
this movement will never take off the ground. I should have done this privately you're right about that,
but you know what? I was actually affraid to be ignored by Chaim,
and judging from the comments on the forum I was probably right to do this publicly and open this subject for debate.

I'm all for the pasuk "בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה"
but when you do something like this, you gotta do it right!
and this was a pretty obvious and sloppy job, and that's bad news for JTF, it will expose us
to criticism about our credibility as a movement, and we need to do some damage control and delete these videos a.s.a.p!

[Zelhar]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

[yamyam1]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

Why are you calling me a liar?
is it so unreasonable to criticize someone
you feel can make some real change for us?

[Zelhar]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

Why are you calling me a liar?
is it so unreasonable to criticize someone
you feel can make some real change for us?

Because you accuse, without proof, a good honest man of lying and misleading his own people who trust him. What you do is not criticism, which is disagreeing to an action, whom the identity of its taker is not contested.

[yamyam1]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

Why are you calling me a liar?
is it so unreasonable to criticize someone
you feel can make some real change for us?

Because you accuse, without proof, a good honest man of lying and misleading his own people who trust him. What you do is not criticism, which is disagreeing to an action, whom the identity of its taker is not contested.

I never questioned his intentions, not even the idea itself,
I criticize this move because it's poorly executed!
you want proof? is this "new" video not proof enough?? my G-d, what else does it take?

Chaim is an upstanding guy and a righteous jew, but this was a mistake...
I'm sorry, but it is what it is :\

[Zelhar]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

Why are you calling me a liar?
is it so unreasonable to criticize someone
you feel can make some real change for us?

Because you accuse, without proof, a good honest man of lying and misleading his own people who trust him. What you do is not criticism, which is disagreeing to an action, whom the identity of its taker is not contested.

I never questioned his intentions, not even the idea itself,
I criticize this move because it's poorly executed!
you want proof? is this "new" video not proof enough?? my G-d, what else does it take?

Chaim is an upstanding guy and a righteous jew, but this was a mistake...
I'm sorry, but it is what it is :\

Obviously if what you said was the truth then it would have been a big mistake, but you have no proof. You raise suspicion but I have a reason to suspect you or your intentions. You are just an anonymous poster, you have no credibility. Whereas Chaim is a known person who has excellent credibility and through all the time I've been following him he acted honestly and in good faith.

[yamyam1]

You are a big liar for sure, a big fan of conspiracies may be.

Why are you calling me a liar?
is it so unreasonable to criticize someone
you feel can make some real change for us?

Because you accuse, without proof, a good honest man of lying and misleading his own people who trust him. What you do is not criticism, which is disagreeing to an action, whom the identity of its taker is not contested.

I never questioned his intentions, not even the idea itself,
I criticize this move because it's poorly executed!
you want proof? is this "new" video not proof enough?? my G-d, what else does it take?

Chaim is an upstanding guy and a righteous jew, but this was a mistake...
I'm sorry, but it is what it is :\

Obviously if what you said was the truth then it would have been a big mistake, but you have no proof. You raise suspicion but I have a reason to suspect you or your intentions. You are just an anonymous poster, you have no credibility. Whereas Chaim is a known person who has excellent credibility and through all the time I've been following him he acted honestly and in good faith.

That's fair enough, yes I'm new to the forum,
but don't let that influence your judgement.
I'm not asking you to trust me or whatever "intentions" I may or may not have,
all I'm asking you and other members to do, is use some common sense here...

I hope that those of you who are closest to Chaim,
will advice him *privately* to close this silly account
and stop posting these silly stickies, this is absolutely ridiculous

[nessuno]

Your ulterior motive in posting a thread like this one is quite obvious.
There is no reason to defend Chaim Ben Pesach. 
No defense is required because he is doing God's work.
You should be banned.  I don't call for that often.  For you I'll make an exception.

[yamyam1]

Your ulterior motive in posting a thread like this one is quite obvious.
There is no reason to defend Chaim Ben Pesach. 
No defense is required because he is doing G-d's work.
You should be banned.  I don't call for that often.  For you I'll make an exception.

again with the banning threats?
what did I do wrong?
is it the fact that I care enough about this movement
to point out fatal mistakes in order to prevent them?

I thought this movement had freedom of speech, only to find out it doesn't.
It's funny you allow some real leftwing scum like "Popeye" to be heard,
but are absolutely terrified when I, a kahanist jew, point out that fake videos are doing a bad service to JTF.

I don't get it, I try to, but I don't.
is it just because I'm new here? is that it?

[AsheDina]

GET LOST YOU FILTHY IDIOT

 

[nessuno]

It's not a threat.
I can't ban you.
It was just a wish.
You're motives are crystal clear.
Playing the innocent is a nice touch though.
I don't mind debating people who are honest.
My gut tells me you are not.
It matters not to me if you are Jewish, Gentile or any other religion.

[yamyam1]

It's not a threat.
I can't ban you.
It was just a wish.
You're motives are crystal clear.
Playing the innocent is a nice touch though.
I don't mind debating people who are honest.
My gut tells me you are not.
It matters not to me if you are Jewish, Gentile or any other religion.

So in the end I guess it is the members of this forum who are the real "conspiracy kooks" as Chaim put it.

Fine! I give up, do what you want, think what you want
this whole so called "movement" is a total waste of time.

I used to get mad at Baruch Marzel for what he said in private about Chaim,
I'm starting to get the feeling he knew what he was talking about...

geez... what a waste... 

[AsheDina]

You are an UNDISCIPLINED little person.
GO TAKE THIS TO A PM. HOW STUPID

[DownwithIslam]

Yam Yam is possibly Archie. He also can be one of the splinter boys or just a disgruntled former member of the forum. It is obvious he is trying to screw jtf. He needs to be banned.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yam Yam is possibly Archie. He also can be one of the splinter boys or just a disgruntled former member of the forum. It is obvious he is trying to screw jtf. He needs to be banned.

No, Archie is from Canada, and yamyam's IP is from Israel according to Lisa.

My guess it that yamyam is Mike Guzofsky.

[Dr. Dan]

who the heck is this loser? lol

[Daleksfearme]

do you have any real proof that this is a fake?

Were you able to trace the account or the I P address? Is there any evidence of how the video was altered (Moviemaker as opposed to another format etc ) ? If you are going to make this type of claim, you must use real evidence as opposed to simply stating why it might be done.

If you are, in fact, really concerned about the issues that are being raised by the JTF, then you should put your self on the line by posting about these issues or finding another way to get the word out, such as putting videos on youtube or liveleak etc.  I can tell you from personal experience how hard it can be to do both posting and videos in a logical coherent way, so that the message is clear.

So, your accusations offend me on both a personal level, and are also offensive because I see the effort others on the Forum are putting forth to make this world a better place.

I hope that you think long and hard about this.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

This is so ridiculous.

So you admit that the other youtube accounts were in fact started by Popeye from Peace Now. Here are the facts:

1. Popeye has numerous accounts on zootube - antihaimbenpesach, AntiChaimBenPesach, chaimbenpesach and many others. I frankly don't have time to go looking for all of his accounts, but there are many.

2. Popeye has been redoing and recycling his old videos against us for a year now. If you go the chaimbenpesach page, he has 18 videos, most of which are recycled copies of the same thing. If you go to the antihaimbenpesach page, he has 16 videos, many of which are recycled versions of the same thing. And he uses his own voice on some of the videos. So the fact that one or more of the videos was recycled is nothing new. This is something that this is done on all of his accounts, and you admit that the other accounts are from Popeye.

3. Popeye also places our address on many of his videos on all of his accounts. This is also nothing new. If you check the videos on the other accounts (which you acknowledge are from Popeye), you will find our address on most of his videos there as well.

4. Popeye has done videos with just a little commentary in the beginning, and then a long clip of our programs - and Popeye has videos like this on ALL of his accounts, which you acknowledge were the accounts of this self-hating leftist.

I could easily refute every silly point you are making with links, but frankly I don't have the time.

Now you are banned.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

One other thing. There is no doubt that your claim to be concerned about the movement is a lie.

Give us your full name and give us proof so that we can verify that it is you. If you are really so interested in honesty, this should not be a problem. After all, everyone knows my full name in Hebrew and in English.

Why do you use an anonymous email server to hide your real email address? What are you hiding? I have made my name public, and my face and my voice, for many years now.

What a phony you are.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

BTW, "yamyam" writes that anyone who speaks Hebrew would know if this is real or fake.

VERY TRUE! We agree on something!

Not one Hebrew-speaking Israeli who has seen these videos has made this ridiculous allegation. Dozens of Israelis have commented on the videos. Some are rightists, some are leftists. Every single Israeli who has commented knows that this is typical of Peace Now and many suspect Yariv Oppenheimer himself of doing these videos.

You can also go to our very active Hebrew forum to see what Israelis think of these videos.

[Ulli]

Yariv Oppenheimer looks like the boy in school, all children have mocked and beaten.



No wonder he is such a hater.

[Zelhar]

Yariv Oppenheimer looks like the boy in school, all children have mocked and beaten.



No wonder he is such a hater.

Yariv Oppenheimer is a whore on payroll by the EU and various other heavy pocketed Jew haters.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

One other thing. There is no doubt that your claim to be concerned about the movement is a lie.

Give us your full name and give us proof so that we can verify that it is you. If you are really so interested in honesty, this should not be a problem. After all, everyone knows my full name in Hebrew and in English.

Why do you use an anonymous email server to hide your real email address? What are you hiding? I have made my name public, and my face and my voice, for many years now.

What a phony you are.

Chaim, yamyam is Mike Guzofsky.