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Sefardic Panther:
I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists but when they had to give lectures to secular and semi observant Jews they would tell them to “stay far away from Kabbalah. It is nothing but superstitious folly and Kabbalists are worse than christians instead of giving us 3 gods they give us 10”. The reason for this was not only because people without adequate Toranic knowledge tend to misunderstand Kabbalah but also to stop them getting into Practical Kabbalah.

Practical Kabbalah tells one how to command the Jin (what european fools would call “angels” and “demons”). Shlomo HaMelek was famous for this. The big danger is that Jin don’t like to be bossed around by humans and unless the Practical Kabbalist is a Tzadiq gadol the Jin will eventually kill them.

The Morrocan Yehudim and Temani were big into Practical Kabbalah. Is it possible that Rabbi Yihyah Gafekh and other Hakamim that rejected Kabbalah knew that Kabbalah was real but publicly rejected it to try to put an end to the widespread use of Practical Kabbalah? Afterall such Hakamim were going against the grain and I am sure they did not think they were bigger than the Ramban.

Kahane-Was-Right BT:

--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on January 15, 2009, 01:24:46 PM ---I have heard of several Rabbis who were secretly Kabbalists
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Stop spreading lashon hara

Kahane-Was-Right BT:
But in all seriousness, why do you talk gossip on here as if it's a reasoned argument?   You don't provide a source, you don't provide a logic other than wishful thinking ("I want this to be so, I don't like his opinion and so therefore it must be so"), and then you again name a famous kabbalist and say that since so-and-so (in this case, the Ramban) was a kabbalist, everyone else has to be, or else they are taking a cheap shot at the Ramban.   This line of argument is ridiculous.     
For example:  (Rambam was NOT a kabbalist.  So anyone arguing against a point from the zohar can use your same line of reasoning and say, 'all those of the chachamim of today who happen to be kabbalists and disagree, surely they don't think of themselves greater than the Rambam!?'  Do you not see that that is a ludicrous argument?)     

Stop grasping for straws.   Either deal with the arguments at hand or drop the subject and admit to yourself you are not prepared to acknowledge or grapple with the kashiya's of the opposing view.   It's not in the spirit of Torah (afterall, dealing with criticism and battling with the logic and basis behind opposing views is the approach to lead us on the path of wisdom and will ultimately lead you to greater clarity, as opposed to shying away from an intellectual challenge and crawling up in a corner), but certainly the shtus you write here is not at all in the spirit of anything.   It's like you're telling us you heard some whispers of rumors in the back room of a tea party.   What's the relevance?

You're not comfortable with the opinions of the non-kabbalists.   We get it.   But to many of us here, their points were/are quite valid.    And hashkafically, not all Torah Jews are the same.   If you can't debate the points on their merits, that's not our problem, it's yours.

And I say this with all due respect, SP.

Ulli:
If this is practical Kabbalah, you should stay away from it.

Nobody can control this spiritual beings and I really didn't see the profit in the attempt.

q_q_:

--- Quote from: Pheasant on January 15, 2009, 02:07:22 PM ---If this is practical Kabbalah, you should stay away from it.

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no, nobody is suggesting to do practical kabbalah. I would guess that sephardic panther knows that better than you. 

Not even the arizal and the baal shem tov did it.  I read that the arizal apparently said we don't have ashes of the red heifer, and are impure and so we shouldn't.. And the baal shem tov, that he used it once to get across a river, and he wouldn't do it again.  Nobody is suggesting it.

If it was possible, then kabbalists should have created golems to invade germany!

What sepfardic panther is saying is quite silly. And KahaneBT has answered him very well.

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