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Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« on: January 19, 2009, 01:09:55 PM »
WASHINGTON – In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday commuted the prison sentences of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents whose convictions for shooting a Mexican drug dealer ignited fierce debate about illegal immigration.

Bush's decision to commute the sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who tried to cover up the shooting, was welcomed by both Republican and Democratic members of Congress. They had long argued that the agents were merely doing their jobs, defending the American border against criminals. They also maintained that the more than 10-year prison sentences the pair was given were too harsh.

Rancor over their convictions, sentencing and firings has simmered ever since the shooting occurred in 2005.

Ramos and Compean became a rallying point among conservatives and on talk shows where their supporters called them heroes. Nearly the entire bipartisan congressional delegation from Texas and other lawmakers from both sides of the political aisle pleaded with Bush to grant them clemency.

Bush didn't pardon the men for their crimes, but decided instead to commute their prison sentences because he believed they were excessive and that they had already suffered the loss of their jobs, freedom and reputations, a senior administration official said.

The action by the president, who believes the border agents received fair trials and that the verdicts were just, does not diminish the seriousness of their crimes, the official said.

Compean and Ramos, who have served about two years of their sentences, are expected to be released from prison within the next two months.

They were convicted of shooting admitted drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande, away from an abandoned van load of marijuana. The border agents argued during their trials that they believed the smuggler was armed and that they shot him in self defense. The prosecutor in the case said there was no evidence linking the smuggler to the van of marijuana. The prosecutor also said the border agents didn't report the shooting and tampered with evidence by picking up several spent shell casings.

The agents were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a dangerous weapon and with serious bodily injury, violation of civil rights and obstruction of justice. All their convictions, except obstruction of justice, were upheld on appeal.

With the new acts of clemency, Bush has granted a total of 189 pardons and 11 commutations.

That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan issued during their two-term tenures. Bush technically has until noon on Tuesday when President-elect Barack Obama is sworn into office to exercise his executive pardon authority, but presidential advisers said no more were forthcoming.

The president had made most of his pardon decisions on low-profile cases, but his batch in December created controversy.

Isaac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y, convicted of making false statements to the Department of Housing and Urban Development and of mail fraud, was among 19 people Bush pardoned just before Christmas. But after learning in news reports that Toussie's father had donated tens of thousands of dollars to the Republican Party a few months ago, as well as other information, the president reversed his decision on Toussie's case.

The White House said the decision to revoke the pardon — a step unheard of in recent memory — was based on information about the extent and nature of Toussie's prior criminal offenses, and that neither the White House counsel's office nor the president had been aware of a political contribution by Toussie's father and wanted to avoid creating an appearance of impropriety.

In an earlier high-profile official act of forgiveness, Bush saved Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, from serving prison time in the case of the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstructing justice. Bush could still grant him a full pardon, although Libby has not applied for one.

Bush's batches of pardons, however, have never included any well-known convicts like junk bond dealer Michael Milken, who sought a pardon on securities fraud charges, or two politicians convicted of public corruption — former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., and four-term Democratic Louisiana Gov. Edwin W. Edwards — who wanted Bush to shorten their prison terms.

Clinton issued a total of 457 in eight years in office. Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, issued 77 in four years. Reagan issued 406 in eight years, and President Carter issued 563 in four years. Since World War II, the largest number of pardons and commutations — 2,031 — came from President Truman, who served 82 days short of eight years.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090119/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_pardons
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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 01:13:18 PM »
Yes i just heard it . I was hoping he would
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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 01:30:41 PM »
It's about time.

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2009, 01:32:28 PM »
I was actually doubting Bush would do this.  Thankfully, he proved me wrong.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2009, 02:35:34 PM »
Since when drug smugling ilegal aliens have civil rights in USA? We do live in inverted reality universe.
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13 'I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, and their leaves will wither. What I have given them will be taken from them.'

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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2009, 03:13:05 PM »
What a filthy pig. Jorge the Bush said that he agreed with the charges and convictions of Ramos and Compean. And these two tzaddiks aren't even being released until the end of March. This filthy animal, who refused to pardon or commute the third hero and patriot here, Jonathan Pollard, will rot in hell just like his father (who wanted HaRav Kahane to be murdered) and just like Reagan, yimach schmo vezichro, is currently doing now, for putting Pollard in prison.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 07:35:36 PM »
A commutation is different than a pardon as in they are still considered guilty and instead of being released immediately their sentences are just shortened. The expected release date is March 20, 2009. Here is my biggest concern, anyone with any legal knowledge can hopefully answer, being that they will still be in jail when obama is in office, can he overturn the commutations?
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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 12:47:13 AM »
What a filthy pig. Jorge the Bush said that he agreed with the charges and convictions of Ramos and Compean. And these two tzaddiks aren't even being released until the end of March. This filthy animal, who refused to pardon or commute the third hero and patriot here, Jonathan Pollard, will rot in hell just like his father (who wanted HaRav Kahane to be murdered) and just like Reagan, yimach schmo vezichro, is currently doing now, for putting Pollard in prison.

I don't think Reagan personally put him in jail.  Reagan may have made mistakes but he I don't think he deserves to be cursed.  GWB really should be ashamed of not letting Pollard go and should have fully pardoned the border agents. 

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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 02:04:08 AM »
A commutation is different than a pardon as in they are still considered guilty and instead of being released immediately their sentences are just shortened. The expected release date is March 20, 2009. Here is my biggest concern, anyone with any legal knowledge can hopefully answer, being that they will still be in jail when obama is in office, can he overturn the commutations?

Commutations are like pardons..they cannot be overturned.

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Re: Bush commutes sentences of former US border agents
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 02:07:08 AM »
What a filthy pig. Jorge the Bush said that he agreed with the charges and convictions of Ramos and Compean. And these two tzaddiks aren't even being released until the end of March. This filthy animal, who refused to pardon or commute the third hero and patriot here, Jonathan Pollard, will rot in hell just like his father (who wanted HaRav Kahane to be murdered) and just like Reagan, yimach schmo vezichro, is currently doing now, for putting Pollard in prison.

You can blame Pat Buchanan, yimach schmo vezichro, for Reagan's actions in the Pollard affair. Remember that it was Buchahan who has said that Shoah was exaggerated AND..he convinced Reagan to visit Bitburg.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 02:15:49 AM »
Fag Buchanus (ys"vz) was a petty, two-bit advisor. He wasn't even part of Reagan's inner circle. What is worse: that Buchanus hated Jonathan Pollard (and all Jews), or that Reagan actually listened to him?

Is there a word besides "Nazi" for anybody who listens to Buchanus' "advice" and takes it to heart as a matter of policy?

I think it is undeniable that the horrible manner of Reagan's death was related to what he did to Pollard.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2009, 02:16:23 AM »
What a filthy pig. Jorge the Bush said that he agreed with the charges and convictions of Ramos and Compean. And these two tzaddiks aren't even being released until the end of March. This filthy animal, who refused to pardon or commute the third hero and patriot here, Jonathan Pollard, will rot in hell just like his father (who wanted HaRav Kahane to be murdered) and just like Reagan, yimach schmo vezichro, is currently doing now, for putting Pollard in prison.

You can blame Pat Buchanan, yimach schmo vezichro, for Reagan's actions in the Pollard affair. Remember that it was Buchahan who has said that Shoah was exaggerated AND..he convinced Reagan to visit Bitburg.
What a filthy pig. Jorge the Bush said that he agreed with the charges and convictions of Ramos and Compean. And these two tzaddiks aren't even being released until the end of March. This filthy animal, who refused to pardon or commute the third hero and patriot here, Jonathan Pollard, will rot in hell just like his father (who wanted HaRav Kahane to be murdered) and just like Reagan, yimach schmo vezichro, is currently doing now, for putting Pollard in prison.

You can blame Pat Buchanan, yimach schmo vezichro, for Reagan's actions in the Pollard affair. Remember that it was Buchahan who has said that Shoah was exaggerated AND..he convinced Reagan to visit Bitburg.

I didn't know that, Buchanan is worse and worse the more I hear about him.  

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2009, 02:21:30 AM »
Fag Buchanus (ys"vz) was a petty, two-bit advisor. He wasn't even part of Reagan's inner circle. What is worse: that Buchanus hated Jonathan Pollard (and all Jews), or that Reagan actually listened to him?

Is there a word besides "Nazi" for anybody who listens to Buchanus' "advice" and takes it to heart as a matter of policy?

I think it is undeniable that the horrible manner of Reagan's death was related to what he did to Pollard.

didn't it take until 1996 before Buchanan was exposed as an anti-semite?  Presidents are very reliant on their advisors for many things and they don't know all the details about every event they go to and associations made.  The grave thing sounds like it could have been set up by Buchanan and not something Reagan could have known fully about.  Reagan was not an anti-semite and I remember hearing speeches where he condemned the Arabs for attacking the Jews in many cases when it was politically risky. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2009, 07:33:15 AM »
Thank God there are Agents willing to take on the Illegal immigration issue. I support them for their actions.  The borders have become the crossing for narcs, terrorists, and illegals, who funnel in and keep the Democrats in office. What a sad day. 

 Give me your tired and poor, but make the drug dealers, criminals, and pedifiles stay in their homeland. They are polluting this great country.

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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2009, 10:54:39 AM »
The grave thing sounds like it could have been set up by Buchanan and not something Reagan could have known fully about.  Reagan was not an anti-semite and I remember hearing speeches where he condemned the Arabs for attacking the Jews in many cases when it was politically risky. 
So are you saying he had Alzheimer's while he was still in office and had no idea of what he was doing?

Was it also Buchanus who forced Reagan to send the Marines to Lebanon in order to fight the IDF? Did he force Reagan to propose and pass an amnesty for illegal aliens?

Do presidents have absolutely no knowledge of what their administration's official policies are?

Some days I think that conservative Reagan-worship is almost as bad as left-wing Obama worship. The knots that conservatives tie themselves into in trying to defend the Gipper are nothing short of amazing.

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2009, 02:12:00 PM »
The grave thing sounds like it could have been set up by Buchanan and not something Reagan could have known fully about.  Reagan was not an anti-semite and I remember hearing speeches where he condemned the Arabs for attacking the Jews in many cases when it was politically risky. 
So are you saying he had Alzheimer's while he was still in office and had no idea of what he was doing?

Was it also Buchanus who forced Reagan to send the Marines to Lebanon in order to fight the IDF? Did he force Reagan to propose and pass an amnesty for illegal aliens?

Do presidents have absolutely no knowledge of what their administration's official policies are?

Some days I think that conservative Reagan-worship is almost as bad as left-wing Obama worship. The knots that conservatives tie themselves into in trying to defend the Gipper are nothing short of amazing.

You're right that he made some terrible decisions but I don't think he was evil.  Sending the Marines to Lebanon was not to fight the IDF, it was to create some insane independent peacekeeping force.  I don't think America understood the Islamic world and threat at all...they don't even today.  The amnesty was also an awful idea and all of the right should have at least learned from it as a failure. 
I just think the grave thing could have been an advisor mistake, not something Reagan knew thouroughly himself.  Every leader makes mistakes and he made some really awful decisions but he did defeat communism, spur an economic revival, lowered taxes and brought faith to the right again, which are all major and great accomplishments.  There is no comparison between Obama and Reagan.  Reagan never worked with anti-American blacks and Muslims.  He was against government expanding control, not expanding government in an unprecedented scale like Obama will do.  Obama will get Israel to surrender.  They just announced Mitchell (who was able to get the Northern Irish peace agreement passed) will be the US special envoy for the Middle East Peace Process.  If he was able to bribe, scare and extort both sides of the Irish conflict to get Bill Clinton's way, what will happen with Israel's corrupt leadership?  We're going to see the difference between a Reagan or Bush and an Obama administration, really quickly.
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