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Ulli:
--- Quote ---As a Jew you shouldn't care about American issues. As a human being, not only a Jew, you should care about "Israeli issues". What is good for the Jews is good for the rest of humanity. so is the opposite: what is bad for the Jews would be, eventually, bad for everyone.
--- End quote ---
This is true. I believe it.
But Bush was althrough of his mistakes much better than Obama, Kerry and both Clintons.
He hit at least some Muslims hard. After 9/11 this animals were very terrified and didn't attacked the USA on American soil, because they knew this could be their end and the end of their families.
After Obama won the election the Muslims became more and more cheeky. Achmadinedschad is now in a better position because of Obama.
Moshe92:
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:58:12 PM --- בס"ד
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 20, 2010, 09:40:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:53:11 AM --- בס"ד
GW Bush WAS bad, Muman.
You cannot call someone had the gal to demand Israel to cease operation Defensive Shield while chasing Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat in Samaria, saying "enough is enough" a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand Sharon to agree and sign on the Road Map for Piss plan (=slow process of national suicide of Israel) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to NOT strike Iran a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to expel Jews from Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who attributed money to the Gazan Nazi Arabs (both "P"LO and Hamas from time to time) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who trained the Arab Nazi "P"LO murderers a "not so bad pres".
He's no different than Obama, only thing making Obama even worse is the timing.
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Ron,
You are talking from your perspective in Israel... From my perspective Bush was the only choice and in comparison to Obama Bush was 1000X better.... Bush was 100x better than Kerry... Do you think Kerry would have been better on Israel? I don't.
Here in America the most important thing is the economy, not Israel... Even for American Jews the topic of Israel is not always on the top of the list.
I did not vote for Bush but wish I had. For almost 20 years I was voting Democrat and I voted for Kerry... I am so glad that Bush won instead because Kerry was perceived as a big appeaser, one who wants a EU style system in America.
But I will say that Bush was not the cause of all of Americas problems. He has been blamed for everything while I think he did an overall good job for this country.
Sometimes we vote for the lesser of two evils...
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As a Jew you shouldn't care about American issues. As a human being, not only a Jew, you should care about "Israeli issues". What is good for the Jews is good for the rest of humanity. so is the opposite: what is bad for the Jews would be, eventually, bad for everyone.
I think Kerry would be better. Cause unlike the Republicans, the Israelis wouldn't think of him as a friend to Israel just like most Israeli Jews don't consider Obama the Democrat to be our friend. But they think of Bush as a friend even though he's not really different from Obama.
The worse image the US Pres has to Israel, the better it is since we become more independent and realize we got no allies but HaShem.
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I don't think Kerry would have been any better for Israel. He would have pressured Israel at least as much as Bush did, and the Israeli government would still give in to the pressure.
The One and Only Mo:
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:58:12 PM --- בס"ד
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 20, 2010, 09:40:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:53:11 AM --- בס"ד
GW Bush WAS bad, Muman.
You cannot call someone had the gal to demand Israel to cease operation Defensive Shield while chasing Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat in Samaria, saying "enough is enough" a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand Sharon to agree and sign on the Road Map for Piss plan (=slow process of national suicide of Israel) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to NOT strike Iran a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to expel Jews from Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who attributed money to the Gazan Nazi Arabs (both "P"LO and Hamas from time to time) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who trained the Arab Nazi "P"LO murderers a "not so bad pres".
He's no different than Obama, only thing making Obama even worse is the timing.
--- End quote ---
Ron,
You are talking from your perspective in Israel... From my perspective Bush was the only choice and in comparison to Obama Bush was 1000X better.... Bush was 100x better than Kerry... Do you think Kerry would have been better on Israel? I don't.
Here in America the most important thing is the economy, not Israel... Even for American Jews the topic of Israel is not always on the top of the list.
I did not vote for Bush but wish I had. For almost 20 years I was voting Democrat and I voted for Kerry... I am so glad that Bush won instead because Kerry was perceived as a big appeaser, one who wants a EU style system in America.
But I will say that Bush was not the cause of all of Americas problems. He has been blamed for everything while I think he did an overall good job for this country.
Sometimes we vote for the lesser of two evils...
--- End quote ---
As a Jew you shouldn't care about American issues. As a human being, not only a Jew, you should care about "Israeli issues". What is good for the Jews is good for the rest of humanity. so is the opposite: what is bad for the Jews would be, eventually, bad for everyone.
I think Kerry would be better. Cause unlike the Republicans, the Israelis wouldn't think of him as a friend to Israel just like most Israeli Jews don't consider Obama the Democrat to be our friend. But they think of Bush as a friend even though he's not really different from Obama.
The worse image the US Pres has to Israel, the better it is since we become more independent and realize we got no allies but HaShem.
--- End quote ---
He's gotta worry about American issues, too. He is a taxpayer, a worker, and a citizen so he will get affected by the economy. It's important but not the most important thing obviously. But since everybody is bad for Israel one way or the other, AT LEAST try to get something decent out of it. And yes, the Jews are the most important thing, but the whole doesn't give a crap about us, no president will give a crap, so just choose a president that will be good for the U.S. since they all hate Israel.
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
--- Quote from: Ulli on January 20, 2010, 03:26:03 PM ---
--- Quote ---As a Jew you shouldn't care about American issues. As a human being, not only a Jew, you should care about "Israeli issues". What is good for the Jews is good for the rest of humanity. so is the opposite: what is bad for the Jews would be, eventually, bad for everyone.
--- End quote ---
This is true. I believe it.
But Bush was althrough of his mistakes much better than Obama, Kerry and both Clintons.
He hit at least some Muslims hard. After 9/11 this animals were very terrified and didn't attacked the USA on American soil, because they knew this could be their end and the end of their families.
After Obama won the election the Muslims became more and more cheeky. Achmadinedschad is now in a better position because of Obama.
--- End quote ---
His hit of some Muslims, or his hit of only some Muslims, made the situation even worse.
Sa'adam was slammed enough in the first Gulf war. Once the Gulf war ended, and after the "P"LO army was (somewhat) destroyed by us, Pan-Arabists (or Arab secular Nazis) were almost completely irrelevant (the only ones left was the Iranian vassal Assad, who's even more dangerous now since Sa'dam was a real pain in the neck for him, and the Egyptian snake Adolf Moubarack who is a smarter Arab than his opposition - the Muslim Brotherhood - who just wanna blow up the whole world like an average Muzzie while Moubarack is waiting).
After Sa'dam was destroyed and hanged, it was much easier for Islam to spread. Sa'adam was a real pain in the neck for most of the Arab world back then and the Iranian would have been having much more problems with him rather than with us. It'd be giving us more time to wake up.
I never thought of 2003 Sa'adam as a big threat, especially not a WMD threat. But even if he was, attacking only him is much more destructive than doing nothing.
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
בס"ד
--- Quote from: Moshe92 on January 20, 2010, 04:26:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:58:12 PM --- בס"ד
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 20, 2010, 09:40:46 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ron Of Zion on January 20, 2010, 02:53:11 AM --- בס"ד
GW Bush WAS bad, Muman.
You cannot call someone had the gal to demand Israel to cease operation Defensive Shield while chasing Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat in Samaria, saying "enough is enough" a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand Sharon to agree and sign on the Road Map for Piss plan (=slow process of national suicide of Israel) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to NOT strike Iran a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who had the gal to demand us to expel Jews from Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who attributed money to the Gazan Nazi Arabs (both "P"LO and Hamas from time to time) a "not so bad pres".
You cannot call someone who trained the Arab Nazi "P"LO murderers a "not so bad pres".
He's no different than Obama, only thing making Obama even worse is the timing.
--- End quote ---
Ron,
You are talking from your perspective in Israel... From my perspective Bush was the only choice and in comparison to Obama Bush was 1000X better.... Bush was 100x better than Kerry... Do you think Kerry would have been better on Israel? I don't.
Here in America the most important thing is the economy, not Israel... Even for American Jews the topic of Israel is not always on the top of the list.
I did not vote for Bush but wish I had. For almost 20 years I was voting Democrat and I voted for Kerry... I am so glad that Bush won instead because Kerry was perceived as a big appeaser, one who wants a EU style system in America.
But I will say that Bush was not the cause of all of Americas problems. He has been blamed for everything while I think he did an overall good job for this country.
Sometimes we vote for the lesser of two evils...
--- End quote ---
As a Jew you shouldn't care about American issues. As a human being, not only a Jew, you should care about "Israeli issues". What is good for the Jews is good for the rest of humanity. so is the opposite: what is bad for the Jews would be, eventually, bad for everyone.
I think Kerry would be better. Cause unlike the Republicans, the Israelis wouldn't think of him as a friend to Israel just like most Israeli Jews don't consider Obama the Democrat to be our friend. But they think of Bush as a friend even though he's not really different from Obama.
The worse image the US Pres has to Israel, the better it is since we become more independent and realize we got no allies but HaShem.
--- End quote ---
I don't think Kerry would have been any better for Israel. He would have pressured Israel at least as much as Bush did, and the Israeli government would still give in to the pressure.
--- End quote ---
I agree. But the difference is that at least the Israeli Jews wouldn't be considering Kerry a friend while still many Israeli Jews, even right-wingers, consider GWB a friend. With this, it would be much harder for Jews to wake up and declare independence from the US Mandate.
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