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Can someone please explain this to me.
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: republicandox on January 28, 2009, 10:41:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: AsheDina on January 27, 2009, 01:48:04 PM --- I have been reading Daniel online, can you please tell me what this is? Is this happening now? Does the Tanach point to now times? Because I see evil like this, all over, and I think that Obama is the evil that has come. Am I wrong or crazy or WHAT? Dont you think HaShem would expose these evil fierce countenence destroyers? If he is the evil, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE HELPED BY G-D??
http://www.davening.net/tanach/dan.htm
8:19 And he said: 'Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the latter time of the indignation; for it belongeth to the appointed time of the end.
8:20 The ram which thou sawest having the two horns, they are the kings of Media and Persia.
8:21 And the rough he-goat is the king of Greece; and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
8:22 And as for that which was broken, in the place whereof four stood up, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not with his power.
8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors have completed their transgression, there shall stand up a king of fierce countenance, and understanding stratagems.
8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power; and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper and do; and he shall destroy them that are mighty and the people of the saints.
8:25 And through his cunning he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and in time of security shall he destroy many; he shall also stand up against the prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
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Hi AsheDina! Nice to see you. I think it means this : I think Obama is the New Monster of the Century....I think he may help the Arab Moslems destroy Israel.
This ( New Monster ) Obama wants to fight the Moshiach....so he can rule the World. Last Century it was Hitler...this Century it is Obama.
Shalom AsheDina....hugs Dox
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YES, I AGREE!!! He is ANOTHER Monster to DESTROY Jews and righteous Gentiles.
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: bob101 on January 28, 2009, 11:31:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: AsheDina on January 28, 2009, 04:35:05 PM ---THERE ARE 172 PEOPLE ONLINE 4:58 ON WEDNESDAY- AND NOBODY CAN HELP ME WITH THIS?
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Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Maybe it's not the time. :teach:
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Bob- it is SO the TIME of the End, I see it, its all over, its time for the POWER of G-d to SHOW UP.
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 29, 2009, 02:25:16 AM ---generally most jews haven't looked that much into prophecy..
Spectator is quite a knowledgeable guy(I saw this from his posts recently)
and DanBenNoah - noachide, isn't jewish..
so that explains how they knew..
Still, it has been looked into..
quite deeply. though it's not a really popular thing
Daniel mentioned 4 exiles.. but other texts talk of a 5th - the Yishmaelite Exile.
Our exile in rome/ the world of christiandom has come to an end.
Rabbi Chayim Vital was a student of the Arizal - a great kabbalist that claimed to have heavenly teachers.. considered one of the greatest kabbalists in jewish history..
http://dafyomireview.com/article.php?docid=269
The Final Exile of Yishmael (forefather of Arabs)
by Rav Chaim Vital
Check that link out, it has quite alot.
There is also a book
The Ishmaelite Exile
By Rabbi Yechiel Weitzman
published by *feldheim* (feldheim are very good)
I haven't read it.. but apparently it's good. I heard somebody speaking about it, he said that for our sins we have entered this new exile.
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q_q, Dear, dont you think that we SHOULD look into these things? I do, but I must confess that I have always been a person that wants to protect people, so obviously I believe the ONLY place I can look for the necessary information is Torah and the Tanach, there is NO other source BUT the word of G-d.
q_q_:
--- Quote from: AsheDina on January 29, 2009, 08:18:40 AM ---<snip>
q_q, Dear, dont you think that we SHOULD look into these things? I do, but I must confess that I have always been a person that wants to protect people, so obviously I believe the ONLY place I can look for the necessary information is Torah and the Tanach, there is NO other source BUT the word of G-d.
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In the sense that all Torah is holy, yes.. But I don't think it's of practical use..
There are these prophecies of negative things, which come from our sin, and can be avoided - not by finding some cunning way to avoid them - but by following G-d. Or lessened by following G-d. Now the situation has hit us, fighting yishmael, we can see what we are up against.. We know enough to even be cunning in dealing with our silly enemy. But there is nothing of practical use in that prophecy to tell us anything we don't already know about how to deal with it, the message is to follow G-d.
And the obvious thing is to fight those that come to kill us, which judaism demands (and doing that is common sense anyway).
It helps to know about Esau, and Yishmael.. Though that's talked about early on in tenach , in Genesis. And we know that really well. And we've experienced both.
AsheDina:
--- Quote from: q_q_ on January 29, 2009, 08:38:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: AsheDina on January 29, 2009, 08:18:40 AM ---<snip>
q_q, Dear, dont you think that we SHOULD look into these things? I do, but I must confess that I have always been a person that wants to protect people, so obviously I believe the ONLY place I can look for the necessary information is Torah and the Tanach, there is NO other source BUT the word of G-d.
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In the sense that all Torah is holy, yes.. But I don't think it's of practical use..
There are these prophecies of negative things, which come from our sin, and can be avoided - not by finding some cunning way to avoid them - but by following G-d. Or lessened by following G-d. Now the situation has hit us, fighting yishmael, we can see what we are up against.. We know enough to even be cunning in dealing with our silly enemy. But there is nothing of practical use in that prophecy to tell us anything we don't already know about how to deal with it, the message is to follow G-d.
And the obvious thing is to fight those that come to kill us, which judaism demands (and doing that is common sense anyway).
It helps to know about Esau, and Yishmael.. Though that's talked about early on in tenach , in Genesis. And we know that really well. And we've experienced both.
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Lately I have been ALL over the Tanach and Torah. ALL of the answer are in there. I dont know why more people dont read it. Maybe I shouldnt say that, but it really does seen that Christians in USA have totally forsaken the "O.T." which is strikingly similar, (things taken out) to Torah. Proverbs, for ie.. it has ways to deal with people. WITHOUT law- which is Torah, in a nation like America, we are DOOMED. My nation, q_q, is FORSAKING its Judao roots of law, its sad.
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