Rabbi Yosef voting for Lieberman is voting for satan

[mord]

Because he hates religious people.I think this might true


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   Concerned rabbi – Shas spiritual leader Ovadia Yosef Photo: Ata Awisat
 
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   'Satan' under attack - Lieberman Photo: AFP
 

   
     

Rabbi Yosef: Lieberman voters support Satan

Lieberman under attack: Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef tells followers Yisrael Beiteinu voters 'support Satan,' Kadima's Livni reassures Arab-Israelis, slams hate-based campaigns; Lieberman dismisses critics, says rivals panicking

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Latest Update:    02.07.09, 22:52 / Israel News

Lieberman under attack: Shas' spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosesaid during his weekly Saturday-night sermon at his house that whoever supports Yisrael Beiteinu "supports Satan."

 
"These are people who do not have Torah, people who want civil marriages, shops that sell pork, and the army enlistment of yeshiva students," Rabbi Yosef said. "My heart is heavy. Heaven forbid people support them. This is completely forbidden. Whoever does so commits an intolerable sin. Whoever does so supports Satan and the evil inclination."

 
 
Meanwhile, Kadima Chairwoman Tzipi Livni Saturday sought to reassure Arab voters in the face of Yisrael Beiteinu's aggressive campaign.

 
In a convention for the Arab community, Livni attempted to distance herself from Lieberman, despite talk that his party Yisrael Beiteinu may join forces with Kadima in a future coalition.

 
"You formed an alliance with us on the basis of declaration that Israel is a Jewish and democratic state," Livni told those in attendance. "We are a Jewish State, yet this is not meant to hurt or force anyone to do something that contradicts their religion or beliefs. There is no need to choose between Jewish and democratic. There are those who face the public based on a feeling of hatred. I'm not there."

 
The Kadima leader attempted to convey optimism ahead of the vote, saying that "there is a sense that victory is possible."

 
"What will happen here is the dream of a nation, and we shall realize the dream on Tuesday," she said.


Livni and Arab fans (Photo: Reuters)

 
During Livni's speech, dozens of Hadash and Balad activists demonstrated outside the venue, slamming the foreign minister for her role in the recent Gaza War.

 
"Livni is responsible for the genocide in Gaza, so how does she have the nerve to ask us, members of the Palestinian people whose brothers were massacred over there, to seek our votes," one protestor said.

 
'Fear and panic' 
Elsewhere, Lieberman addressed the repeated attacks against him in an election convention in the town of Arad.

 
"When I hear all the attacks, I realize that these people can't contend with us because of their fear and panic, so they are resorting to mudslinging," he said.

 
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Also referring to Lieberman, among other rightist parties, frontrunner Benjamin Netanyahu told a Jerusalem convention that there is no significance whether right-wing factions win one more or one less Knesset seat, as the important issue is to ensure a strong Likud that can form a stable government.

 
"We are nearing decision day," Netanyahu said. "If you give your votes to other parties, you jeopardize Likud's victory and risk the possibly of facing another election in a year and a half," he said

[Ulli]

Hello Mord,

is Lieberman's party a non religious right?

Has it socialist attitudes?

I know not enough about them.

[mord]

Hello Mord,

is Lieberman's party a non religious right?

Has it socialist attitudes?

I know not enough about them.

I don't know either he says different things different times.I think his main goal in anti Islam,i think he's not a socialists because anyone mentally and physically fit he says must join the army or no compensation .By this i think he means to get rid of islam in Israel

[DownwithIslam]

It is true that Lieberman is not the answer to Israel problems but  who the hell is "Rabbi" Ovadia Yosef to say that? Yosef's party has had more MK's indicted and jailed for bribery and other forms of corruption that any party in Israel. What a chillul hashem that is to have a "religious" party behaving like deleted. Lets not forget that Yosef has advocated withdrawals numerous times in the past which means he was acting like deleted. Lieberman is much better than shas simply because he doesn't pretend to be religious. Chaim has said in the past that the reason it is sometimes hard for kahanists to reach out to Israeli youth is because shas makes them think that anyone religious is corrupt.

[DownwithIslam]

Why were two words deleted from my post? I did not use any foul language.

[mord]

THE PARTY WITH YAAKOV KATZ  SEEMS GOOD I THINK IT'S THE NATIONAL UNION

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I agree with DownwithIslam. I don't think Rabbi Yosef should be intervening in the political process at the present moment. Yes, Avigdor Lieberman is terrible, but so are the other choices.

Rav Yosef should apologize for supporting the ethnic cleansing of large parts of Israel, for telling his adherents that the Arabs are the brothers of the Jews, teaching that surrendering sacred Jewish life is acceptable if it will "spare lives" (and this is not a position that he has recanted in the least), calling Shimon Peres (yimach schmo) a "friend of Torah Judaism", and for calling Yasser Arafat a man that we can work with.

[Ulli]

Why were two words deleted from my post? I did not use any foul language.

Please understand DWI. Chaim has said we are not allowed to speak in this way about Rabbis.

I take really no stand in this issue. I did only what moderators should do.

So please choose another form for your thoughts.  

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Let me rephrase your thoughts, DownwithIslam, which I do agree with.

I consider it to be an abomination when a religious party behaves like Shas has. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef has advocated withdrawals numerous times, which means that he was acting like one who does not have Israel's best interests at heart.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Let me rephrase your thoughts, DownwithIslam, which I do agree with.

I consider it to be an abomination when a religious party behaves like Shas has. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef has advocated withdrawals numerous times, which means that he was acting like one who does not have Israel's best interests at heart.

I wish a painful death for those Liberal Israelis who are destroying Israel. May G-d punish them and remove them from Israel forever!
Those Arab Moslems lovers care more for terrorists than they do for our own people!
What Israelis voted these Satanists into power?
There are no words that can truly describe my fury!


                                                                                  Shalom - Dox

[DownwithIslam]

Let me rephrase your thoughts, DownwithIslam, which I do agree with.

I consider it to be an abomination when a religious party behaves like Shas has. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef has advocated withdrawals numerous times, which means that he was acting like one who does not have Israel's best interests at heart.

Yes, it's a shame when ROY tries to intimidate and bully the voters with his rubbish. A man that has enabled the sickest beasts to give away land deserves a terrible punishment. Lieberman is a nightmare but shas is much worse. At least lieberman pulled out of smolmerts govt while shas sat there the whole time because ROY was pocketing sheckels.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

You are right, at least Lieberman does not try to frame his evil choices within religion.

[Spectator]

At least lieberman pulled out of smolmerts govt

Not a big deal.

Lieberman has saved the Olmert's government. After the indecisive 2006 Lebanon war, this goverment was in a very bad position. If he had withrawn then, it would have been very good. Instead, he supported this goverment in that critical moment.

Olmert's government thanked Lieberman with inventing a new redundant "Strategic Affairs" ministry and appointing Lieberman as Minister of Strategic Affairs. It sounded very bombastic but in fact that ministry had no infuence at all. That is why Lieberman then resigned and the ministry was shut down.

At this moment, political situation was stable and Lieberman's pullout made no difference.

[Spectator]

You are right, at least Lieberman does not try to frame his evil choices within religion.

Yes, he proudly demonstrates his intentions. He wants to uproot the religion from the Jewish state and to confine it within synagogue.

[Spectator]

Chaim has said in the past that the reason it is sometimes hard for kahanists to reach out to Israeli youth is because shas makes them think that anyone religious is corrupt.

I don't understand. When did Shas say that?

[mord]

Chaim has said in the past that the reason it is sometimes hard for kahanists to reach out to Israeli youth is because shas makes them think that anyone religious is corrupt.

I don't understand. When did Shas say that?

No Shas didn't say it ,but many Israeli teens see Shas as very corrupt

[DownwithIslam]

At least lieberman pulled out of smolmerts govt

Not a big deal.

Lieberman has saved the Olmert's government. After the indecisive 2006 Lebanon war, this goverment was in a very bad position. If he had withrawn then, it would have been very good. Instead, he supported this goverment in that critical moment.

Olmert's government thanked Lieberman with inventing a new redundant "Strategic Affairs" ministry and appointing Lieberman as Minister of Strategic Affairs. It sounded very bombastic but in fact that ministry had no infuence at all. That is why Lieberman then resigned and the ministry was shut down.

At this moment, political situation was stable and Lieberman's pullout made no difference.

All you are proving is that Lieberman is terrible which we all know. What I am saying is that shas is much, much worse.

[Zelhar]

I couldn't find it in the English version, but from what I read in the Hebew atrticle, Rabbi Yosef said at the same time that he who votes for Shas shall be rewarded both in this world and in the world to come. That is just too audacious a promise to make, a real shame on him and for the Torah in my opinion.

As for Lieberman- He is running an electorat fraud, posing as a tough right winger while in fact supporting the surrender the entire of Judea and Samaria. He is making hollow stupid remarks about Arab knesset members and he has some populist suggestions s.a forcing Arabs to do national service instead of the military service they refuse to do.

[Spectator]

At least lieberman pulled out of smolmerts govt

Not a big deal.

Lieberman has saved the Olmert's government. After the indecisive 2006 Lebanon war, this goverment was in a very bad position. If he had withrawn then, it would have been very good. Instead, he supported this goverment in that critical moment.

Olmert's government thanked Lieberman with inventing a new redundant "Strategic Affairs" ministry and appointing Lieberman as Minister of Strategic Affairs. It sounded very bombastic but in fact that ministry had no infuence at all. That is why Lieberman then resigned and the ministry was shut down.

At this moment, political situation was stable and Lieberman's pullout made no difference.

All you are proving is that Lieberman is terrible which we all know. What I am saying is that shas is much, much worse.

I think Lieberman is much worse.

Of course, Shas has made serious errors with grave consequences. But:

At least, Shas does not support passing some pre-1967 territories to Palestinian control, and Lieberman does. He states that would ensure Jewish majority in Israel, but in reality this creates the precedent for the Arabs and their supporters that they can extort from Israel even the territories within 1967 borders. Yes, he says we must pass over this territories in return for settlement block in Judea and Samaria, but it is his personal wishful thinking that Arabs will agree to this.

At least, Shas does not support and vehemently opposes the passing of Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem under Palestinian control, and Lieberman does.

At least, Shas does actively support Judaism in Israel, and Lieberman seeks to undermine it.

As for Lieberman- He is running an electorat fraud, posing as a tough right winger while in fact supporting the surrender the entire of Judea and Samaria. He is making hollow stupid remarks about Arab knesset members and he has some populist suggestions s.a forcing Arabs to do national service instead of the military service they refuse to do.

Lieberman is ridiculous. Even if he succeds in that, this will only give more ground to our enemies to accuse us in racism and anything in return. We all know that Muslims think it is good to breach one's own oath for the sake of Jihad and Israeli Arabs will surely do in the appropriate moment.

By making this stupid remarks, he just exploits the desire of the Jews to get rid of Arabs, to steal the votes of right wing Jews. As I explained, his ideology is leftist and close to that of Meretz and Peace Now.

 

[Spectator]

I couldn't find it in the English version, but from what I read in the Hebew atrticle, Rabbi Yosef said at the same time that he who votes for Shas shall be rewarded both in this world and in the world to come. That is just too audacious a promise to make, a real shame on him and for the Torah in my opinion.

Yes he did. But he said it in the context of the saying being discussed in this topic - voting for Lieberman is voting for satan. He also said that before the previous elections that he who would vote for Kadima will go hell. All these statements address Oriental Jews (who are generally more religious than the majority of European ones) to persuade them not to vote for secular leftist parties like Kadima and Lieberman.  At previous elections it surely pulled some votes from Kadima, and I hope will pull some votes from Lieberman now.

Moreover, I think voting against leftist parties is really good from the Judaism point of view. To contribute your voice against assimilation and breaking other the most fundamental Judaism commandments, which is advocated by Kadima and Lieberman, is surely good thing.

[mord]

I would vote for 1 of these 2             
     National  Union
     Jewish  Home
 

[Spectator]

I would vote for 1 of these 2             
     National  Union
     Jewish  Home
 

National Union is much better. They struggle for the Land of Israel without compromises.

Though Jewish Home poses itself as National-Relgious, it does not anything real. Besides, they call the Noar HaGvaot ("Youth of the Hills") extremists. They prefer polite parlamentary debate. I could have understand such approach if the were doing it effectively and had real influence, but it not the case.

[mord]

I would vote for 1 of these 2             
     National  Union
     Jewish  Home
 

National Union is much better. They struggle for the Land of Israel without compromises.

Though Jewish Home poses itself as National-Relgious, it does not anything real. Besides, they call the Noar HaGvaot ("Youth of the Hills") extremists. They prefer polite parlamentary debate. I could have understand such approach if the were doing it effectively and had real influence, but it not the case.

Yes thats true

[Spectator]

My rating is the following:

1. National Union
2. Shas
3. Likud
4. Jewish Home
5. United Torah Judaism (Agudat Yisrael)
6. Israel Our Home (Lieberman's party)
7. Avoda & Kadima - no difference
8. Meretz
9. Arab parties.

[TheCoon]

Rabbi Yossef is doing his part to get Kadima elected. He is becoming the Jesse Jackson of Israel.