Why does everyone here insist Obama is a Muslim?

[The One and Only Mo]

Muslim or not - - - his background is sketchy, his alliances are scary, and his past DOES have Islamic roots (which he admits). You gotta take all facts into consideration and be extra cautious. NO CHANCES! And if there's even a SLIGHT possibility that he's Muslim, then we gotta entertain that possibility and take all neccessary precautions.

[Lisa]

Islamic law is completely logical, as is Jewish law.

Muman, can you please elaborate on that for us?

[Muck DeFuslims]

Why would anyone believe that Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim ??

All the evidence indicates he is a Muslim.

His name is Muslim.

His background is Muslim.

He's slipped up and said he's Muslim.

But here's the most important thing -- He has never renounced Islam.

It's a common practice of taqiyya practicing Mohammedans to acknowledge their belief in Jesus Christ as a prophet. Muslims always do this and BHO is no exception.

Ask Hussein is Jesus was a prophet and messiah and he will say yes.

What he won't add, because he is a taqiyya practicing Muslim, is that he believes in Jesus -- but accepts Mohammed as the final prophet !

It would be very interesting to see someone ask Hussein his thoughts and beliefs concerning Mohammed.

I sincerely believe if Hussein was honest he'd say he believes Mohammed (feces be upon him) was the final prophet.

And that, my friends, makes him a Koranimal.

I find it remarkable that some people so easily accept that Hussein always has been and remains a socialist -- but doubt that he's still a Muslim.

His campaign propaganda was that he's a centrist; a moderate.

But his history with Ayers and a multitude of other dubious characters clearly indicated he's not only a leftist, he's about as far left -- and as big a socialist -- as they come.

People with common sense didn't buy into the 'Obama isn't a leftist, he's a centrist' campaign propaganda -- why would rational people buy into the 'Obama isn't a Muslim, he's a Christian' propaganda ??

Sorry, but believing Obama isn't a Muslim is as silly as believing Obama isn't a socialist.

I think the question about why people at JTF insist Obama is a Muslim needs to be turned on True Conservative.

Why does True Conservative insist Hussein is a Christian ??

Especially when the reality is Hussein was born and raised as a Muslim and has never renounced Islam.   

[GoIsraelGo!]

Why would anyone believe that Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim ??

All the evidence indicates he is a Muslim.

His name is Muslim.

His background is Muslim.

He's slipped up and said he's Muslim.

But here's the most important thing -- He has never renounced Islam.

It's a common practice of taqiyya practicing Mohammedans to acknowledge their belief in Jesus Christ as a prophet. Muslims always do this and BHO is no exception.

Ask Hussein is Jesus was a prophet and messiah and he will say yes.

What he won't add, because he is a taqiyya practicing Muslim, is that he believes in Jesus -- but accepts Mohammed as the final prophet !

It would be very interesting to see someone ask Hussein his thoughts and beliefs concerning Mohammed.

I sincerely believe if Hussein was honest he'd say he believes Mohammed (feces be upon him) was the final prophet.

And that, my friends, makes him a Koranimal.

I find it remarkable that some people so easily accept that Hussein always has been and remains a socialist -- but doubt that he's still a Muslim.

His campaign propaganda was that he's a centrist; a moderate.

But his history with Ayers and a multitude of other dubious characters clearly indicated he's not only a leftist, he's about as far left -- and as big a socialist -- as they come.

People with common sense didn't buy into the 'Obama isn't a leftist, he's a centrist' campaign propaganda -- why would rational people buy into the 'Obama isn't a Muslim, he's a Christian' propaganda ??

Sorry, but believing Obama isn't a Muslim is as silly as believing Obama isn't a socialist.

I think the question about why people at JTF insist Obama is a Muslim needs to be turned on True Conservative.

Why does True Conservative insist Hussein is a Christian ??

Especially when the reality is Hussein was born and raised as a Muslim and has never renounced Islam.   

Obama is a MARXIST QURANIMAL!
Great Post.


Shalom - Dox

[arksis]

Couldn't have said it better Muck DeFuslims! I have ALWAYS believed Obamation to be a Muslim and continue to this day, to all who will listen, try to convince people of this. Maybe I should start printing all the FACTS out, so they can read it for themselves, but if they never read the paper or watch the news, who's to say they will believe what I print out??? These are the people we wil have a very difficult time convincing of these facts, it's so aggravating! But I continue, and some are even trying to avoid me LOL

[The One and Only Mo]

Couldn't have said it better Muck DeFuslims! I have ALWAYS believed Obamation to be a Muslim and continue to this day, to all who will listen, try to convince people of this. Maybe I should start printing all the FACTS out, so they can read it for themselves, but if they never read the paper or watch the news, who's to say they will believe what I print out??? These are the people we wil have a very difficult time convincing of these facts, it's so aggravating! But I continue, and some are even trying to avoid me LOL

NOTHING FOR US TO CONVINCE! IF WE ARE RIGHT HE'LL DO SOMETHING TO PROVE IT! PLAINE AND SIMPLE!

[eb22]

Excellent comments Muck DeFuslims and great follow-up comments by everyone else.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA is a Muslim!    The vast majority of the media is either leftist and/  or too politically correct.     This is why Obama was able to get away with using taqiyya in getting "  elected "  President of the United States.     

[arksis]

I sure hope you are right Mo! You are so right David! The left and these PC people are enough to drive anyone nuts! Has to be the ONLY reason he was elected!

[eb22]

I sure hope you are right Mo! You are so right David! The left and these PC people are enough to drive anyone nuts! Has to be the ONLY reason he was elected!

Dawn,   adding to what you mentioned,      I very often reflect on the double standards of the media.     Especially on how the collective media spent more time in ONE DAY digging for info about Sarah Palin than they did with Barack Hussein Obama during the ENTIRE Presidential Campaign that began in early 2007.     And Gov. Palin was not even on the TOP of the Republican Ticket!

[arksis]

Good grief yes David! I blame the media for 99% of this mess! I feel so bad for what happened to Sarah Palin, it was all so very unfair. 

[muman613]

Islamic law is completely logical, as is Jewish law.

Muman, can you please elaborate on that for us?

Lisa,

What I mean by this is that everything in Judaism has a logical reason for existing. This is what Halacha is, determining how to go about fufilling the mitzvot. When the Torah says that one must eat Matzah on Pesach, the rabbis have been able to determine from Torah just how much Matzah one must eat, and how long that they have to eat it. The laws of Shabbat are all logically derived from the 39 melachot {creative labors} which were performed by the Israelites while making the Mishkan in the desert. There are many minutia about these laws and many sefers written on the topic of Shabbat observance {all based on logical examination of the scriptures}. When the Torah says to bind the Torah to our arms and keep it like frontlets before our eyes it means the tefillin that men must wear every day during prayer. Without the oral law the Torah doesn't really make much sense.

So what I am leading to is that Judaism is based on very logical precepts extracted from analysis of the scriptures. Many genius Rabbis have spent thousands of years reviewing the findings and looking to the mystical teachings for basis for the halacha. There is reason for every thing we do in Jewish observance.

Since Islam and the other derivative religions seek to satisfy both the spiritual and the intellectual they have adopted similar laws. Is it not odd that Jewish identity is established through the mother, and Islamic identity is established through the father? Is it not odd that Judaism is a religion which stresses making the most of this world and enjoying this life while Islam is a cult which stresses sacrificing ones life in this world in order to gain so-called rewards in the next world? Why does Judaism come down to G-ds explanation to the Jewish people, "I have placed before you Blessing and Life, and Curses and Death, Choose life..." Islam is the anti-Religion to Judaism in so many ways. But just as Judaism requires halacha to define and explain our precepts, so too does Islam use laws and reasons to justify its ideas.

I don't know if I explained my thoughts succinctly. I hope that a ray of my original idea has escaped from my frantically flying fingers...

 

[A True Conservative]

No it doesnt go against logic. Islamic law is completely logical, as is Jewish law. You are not what you think you are, you are what you were created to be. Free Will only accounts for how much or how little you abide by the law. So even if Obama doesn't think he is a Muslim, if one day he wakes up and decides he made a mistake, he can go out and be a muslim without having to convert. You a a muslim if your father is Muslim. In Judaism you are a Jew if your mother was Jewish. This lasts for as long as you live...

So maybe Obama is just not observing his religion, sorta like the 9/11 terrorists who went to Las Vegas before carrying out their attack, and is lying to the world to expand the Islamic caliphate.

If I could be everything I wanted to I would have four arms, wings, and two mouths so I could talk and eat at the same time. Fortunately G-d made me with one mouth, two arms, and no wings, thus I am a human being. No matter how much I want to be a woman, I am made a man. No matter how much Obama wants to be seen as non-muslim he will always be muslim because of the situation of his birth.

If you are not able to understand the SIMPLE logic in this then I will not be able to explain anything to you.

PS: Joining Rev Wrights anti-American, pro-Islamic church doesnt remove his Islamic roots.

Dude, what are you talking about???

Listen to what you said: He will always be a Muslim because he was born Muslim. You can change your beliefs anytime you want. If someone's mother is Jewish he is a Jew at birth but can then convert to any other religion or become atheist and he is no longer Jewish. Simple as that. People's actions determine what they are. Now, if you're a human and think you're a bird you're still a human. If you're a man and think you're a woman you're still a man. We aren't talking about biological things we're talking about beliefs. I know people who were born to Islam and have left it and hate it more than you can imagine. Are you telling me they are still Muslims?

[muman613]

No it doesnt go against logic. Islamic law is completely logical, as is Jewish law. You are not what you think you are, you are what you were created to be. Free Will only accounts for how much or how little you abide by the law. So even if Obama doesn't think he is a Muslim, if one day he wakes up and decides he made a mistake, he can go out and be a muslim without having to convert. You a a muslim if your father is Muslim. In Judaism you are a Jew if your mother was Jewish. This lasts for as long as you live...

So maybe Obama is just not observing his religion, sorta like the 9/11 terrorists who went to Las Vegas before carrying out their attack, and is lying to the world to expand the Islamic caliphate.

If I could be everything I wanted to I would have four arms, wings, and two mouths so I could talk and eat at the same time. Fortunately G-d made me with one mouth, two arms, and no wings, thus I am a human being. No matter how much I want to be a woman, I am made a man. No matter how much Obama wants to be seen as non-muslim he will always be muslim because of the situation of his birth.

If you are not able to understand the SIMPLE logic in this then I will not be able to explain anything to you.

PS: Joining Rev Wrights anti-American, pro-Islamic church doesnt remove his Islamic roots.

Dude, what are you talking about???

Listen to what you said: He will always be a Muslim because he was born Muslim. You can change your beliefs anytime you want. If someone's mother is Jewish he is a Jew at birth but can then convert to any other religion or become atheist and he is no longer Jewish. Simple as that. People's actions determine what they are. Now, if you're a human and think you're a bird you're still a human. If you're a man and think you're a woman you're still a man. We aren't talking about biological things we're talking about beliefs. I know people who were born to Islam and have left it and hate it more than you can imagine. Are you telling me they are still Muslims?

I am talking truth which you deny. Simple as that...

A person is born to a mother and father, they don't have a choice about who they are. They are created by the mother and father, and G-d. A person is given a body and a soul, and the soul has traits which are passed from the biological parent.

I assume you are not Jewish because if you were you would know what I am talking about. Everyone is a composite of the traits of their parents, you know about DNA. DNA is physical and there are traits of the soul which are passed to the child.

The 'other' religions besides Judaism and Islam don't have these ideas because they don't have this kind of soul. This topic is too broad for me to explain, especially to people who don't understand Jewish ideas.

Basically all those who believe in soul DNA knows that whatever Obama acts to the world about his religious beliefs he will always be accepted as a Muslim because of his father. According to his own books he said he remembers the most important prayers of Islam and knows how to sing it. This kind of prayer is central to Islam and he says the sound of the prayer is the most beautiful thing. Do you know why this is? Because music and prayer reach deep down into a soul. Obama is in tune with the ideas and the beliefs of Islam.


You can deny this to your hearts content but you will realize the truth some day. I really don't understand why anyone would blind their eyes to the truth for the sake of seeming non-judgemental.

[A True Conservative]

Why would anyone believe that Barack Hussein Obama isn't a Muslim ??

All the evidence indicates he is a Muslim.

His name is Muslim.

His background is Muslim.

He's slipped up and said he's Muslim.

But here's the most important thing -- He has never renounced Islam.

He once talked about being accused of being a Muslim and jokingly said it would anger his Pastor. He practically renounced it right there.

I find it remarkable that some people so easily accept that Hussein always has been and remains a socialist -- but doubt that he's still a Muslim.

His campaign propaganda was that he's a centrist; a moderate.

But his history with Ayers and a multitude of other dubious characters clearly indicated he's not only a leftist, he's about as far left -- and as big a socialist -- as they come.

People with common sense didn't buy into the 'Obama isn't a leftist, he's a centrist' campaign propaganda -- why would rational people buy into the 'Obama isn't a Muslim, he's a Christian' propaganda ??

Sorry, but believing Obama isn't a Muslim is as silly as believing Obama isn't a socialist.

I think the question about why people at JTF insist Obama is a Muslim needs to be turned on True Conservative.

Why does True Conservative insist Hussein is a Christian ??

Especially when the reality is Hussein was born and raised as a Muslim and has never renounced Islam.   

I don't even believe he's really a Christian either. He's as Christian as his Reverend. It's a perversion of Christianity tailored to suit Black Supremacism. Farrakhan isn't a real Muslim either. All of these people should be classified as Black Supremacists. NOI believes in the space ship destroying the White race and the White race being created by a Black scientist. They believe White people are devils. That's a perversion of Islam too.

[A True Conservative]

I am talking truth which you deny. Simple as that...

A person is born to a mother and father, they don't have a choice about who they are. They are created by the mother and father, and G-d. A person is given a body and a soul, and the soul has traits which are passed from the biological parent.

I assume you are not Jewish because if you were you would know what I am talking about. Everyone is a composite of the traits of their parents, you know about DNA. DNA is physical and there are traits of the soul which are passed to the child.

The 'other' religions besides Judaism and Islam don't have these ideas because they don't have this kind of soul. This topic is too broad for me to explain, especially to people who don't understand Jewish ideas.

Basically all those who believe in soul DNA knows that whatever Obama acts to the world about his religious beliefs he will always be accepted as a Muslim because of his father. According to his own books he said he remembers the most important prayers of Islam and knows how to sing it. This kind of prayer is central to Islam and he says the sound of the prayer is the most beautiful thing. Do you know why this is? Because music and prayer reach deep down into a soul. Obama is in tune with the ideas and the beliefs of Islam.


You can deny this to your hearts content but you will realize the truth some day. I really don't understand why anyone would blind their eyes to the truth for the sake of seeming non-judgemental.

So are you telling me if a Muslim thinks Islam is evil and leaves it he's still a Muslim because his soul is Muslim?

Obama is a crack junkie piece of drek from Chicago. He believes the White race will be sucked up by the mother ship and that Blacks are G-d's chosen people. If the Taliban ever got their hand's on him they'd label him a rejectionist and behead him but for the fact they'd let him live because he's serving their interests for now.

[GoIsraelGo!]

I am talking truth which you deny. Simple as that...

A person is born to a mother and father, they don't have a choice about who they are. They are created by the mother and father, and G-d. A person is given a body and a soul, and the soul has traits which are passed from the biological parent.

I assume you are not Jewish because if you were you would know what I am talking about. Everyone is a composite of the traits of their parents, you know about DNA. DNA is physical and there are traits of the soul which are passed to the child.

The 'other' religions besides Judaism and Islam don't have these ideas because they don't have this kind of soul. This topic is too broad for me to explain, especially to people who don't understand Jewish ideas.

Basically all those who believe in soul DNA knows that whatever Obama acts to the world about his religious beliefs he will always be accepted as a Muslim because of his father. According to his own books he said he remembers the most important prayers of Islam and knows how to sing it. This kind of prayer is central to Islam and he says the sound of the prayer is the most beautiful thing. Do you know why this is? Because music and prayer reach deep down into a soul. Obama is in tune with the ideas and the beliefs of Islam.


You can deny this to your hearts content but you will realize the truth some day. I really don't understand why anyone would blind their eyes to the truth for the sake of seeming non-judgemental.

So are you telling me if a Muslim thinks Islam is evil and leaves it he's still a Muslim because his soul is Muslim?

Obama is a crack junkie piece of drek from Chicago. He believes the White race will be sucked up by the mother ship and that Blacks are G-d's chosen people. If the Taliban ever got their hand's on him they'd label him a rejectionist and behead him but for the fact they'd let him live because he's serving their interests for now.

I have read this whole tread. From my observations I can't help but get the feeling that you may have issues with religion period.
Might you be an Athiest, and if not why does the issue of Obama being seen as a Moslem bother you so much?
It is apparent to me that most of the contents in this tread are arguments over religion and Obama is the excuse for the argument.

[A True Conservative]

I have read this whole tread. From my observations I can't help but get the feeling that you may have issues with religion period.
Might you be an Athiest, and if not why does the issue of Obama being seen as a Moslem bother you so much?
It is apparent to me that most of the contents in this tread are arguments over religion and Obama is the excuse for the argument.

No. I have issues with conspiracy theories. I believe he's a communist but I never say that to people because it's my opinion. He's a proven Socialist because he wants to nationalize everything, etc and that's all I'd talk about. You should just talk about the facts and let people decide what's right. If I found out he were a Muslim tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised at all. He may very well be one but I don't think he is.

[GoIsraelGo!]

I have read this whole tread. From my observations I can't help but get the feeling that you may have issues with religion period.
Might you be an Athiest, and if not why does the issue of Obama being seen as a Moslem bother you so much?
It is apparent to me that most of the contents in this tread are arguments over religion and Obama is the excuse for the argument.

No. I have issues with conspiracy theories. I believe he's a communist but I never say that to people because it's my opinion. He's a proven Socialist because he wants to nationalize everything, etc and that's all I'd talk about. You should just talk about the facts and let people decide what's right. If I found out he were a Muslim tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised at all. He may very well be one but I don't think he is.

Your last sentence was contradictory:  "  He may very well be one but I don't think he is. "
I do appreciate the fact that at least you recognize he is a piece of chit. We can all agree on that!

                                                     Shalom - Dox 

[eb22]

Good grief yes David! I blame the media for 99% of this mess! I feel so bad for what happened to Sarah Palin, it was all so very unfair. 

Dawn,    there's no question that the media made it possible for Barack Hussein Obama "  winning " the 2008 Presidential Election.      One thing that stands out is Obama wasn't even in the U.S. Senate for 150 days!      Basically,  his U.S. Senate term ended in mid February,   2007.     That's when his Presidential campaign officially began.     This is even more pronounced because Obama had no executive experience.     Someone with such little experience and a multitude of baggage shouldn't have even been on the Presidential radar screen.      If the collective media would have even reported even a 1/10 of the info that JTF provided about Obama,     he would have had ZERO chance to have defeated Hillary "  Saddam " Clinton for the 2008 Democrat Party nomination for President.    Let alone " win"  the General Election.


As angry as I am about the biased treatment against Sarah Palin,    I'm confident that she has the mental toughness,   leadership skills, and intelligence, to overcome the attacks by the media,   the left in general,   and those in the McCain campaign that attempted to destroy her future.     A huge concern though is the very realistic possibility of millions of illegal aliens gaining Amnesty because of Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress.      If this happens,   it's going to be much harder for any real Conseratives to win the Presidency.     Also,   the appointment of "  Moderate "  Republican Michael Steele to be head of the Republican National Committee appears to have the potential to be an obstacle in Gov. Palin winning the 2012 Republican Nomination for President.      Unless the Republican party gets back to its genuine Conservative grass roots,    the future for the U.S.  is dim.

[muman613]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of religion Obama is BAD NEWS with capital letters.

I truly believe that the particular brand of religion that he practiced for 20 years reflects his true beliefs. His church supported palestinkians and accuses the United States of horrible deeds. I cannot defend what that church stands for. To give honor to Frakanan is outrageous.

I will not convince you of Obamas beliefs because I am not a mind reader. I do know that judging from his actions he is acting like a covert Moslem. His being communist, gay, charismatic, etc... is just the icing on the cake.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of religion Obama is BAD NEWS with capital letters.

I truly believe that the particular brand of religion that he practiced for 20 years reflects his true beliefs. His church supported palestinkians and accuses the United States of horrible deeds. I cannot defend what that church stands for. To give honor to Frakanan is outrageous.

I will not convince you of Obamas beliefs because I am not a mind reader. I do know that judging from his actions he is acting like a covert Moslem. His being communist, gay, charismatic, etc... is just the icing on the cake.

Excellent quote Muman!

Shalom - Dox

[eb22]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of religion Obama is BAD NEWS with capital letters.

I truly believe that the particular brand of religion that he practiced for 20 years reflects his true beliefs. His church supported palestinkians and accuses the United States of horrible deeds. I cannot defend what that church stands for. To give honor to Frakanan is outrageous.

I will not convince you of Obamas beliefs because I am not a mind reader. I do know that judging from his actions he is acting like a covert Moslem. His being communist, gay, charismatic, etc... is just the icing on the cake.

Very well stated,   munan613.

That hideous so called church is a reflection of what Obamination truly is about.

[A True Conservative]

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of religion Obama is BAD NEWS with capital letters.

I truly believe that the particular brand of religion that he practiced for 20 years reflects his true beliefs. His church supported palestinkians and accuses the United States of horrible deeds. I cannot defend what that church stands for. To give honor to Frakanan is outrageous.

I will not convince you of Obamas beliefs because I am not a mind reader. I do know that judging from his actions he is acting like a covert Moslem. His being communist, gay, charismatic, etc... is just the icing on the cake.

The reason we don't agree is because of our definitions of Muslim. I say you're a Muslim if you believe Muhammad is a prophet and believe their tenants. That's how the dictionary defined it. You're saying since his father is a Muslim he's one automatically for life. He may have believed Muhammad was a prophet and been a Muslim at one point in his life but I believe he left it for his Black supremacist theology. He later went to Bolshevik Harvard where his Communist professors radicalized him even further. Obama is the scum of the earth and if I found out he were a Muslim tomorrow I couldn't think lower of him.

[Ben Yehuda]

What is a person's religion born of a Jewish women and a muslim man?

[arksis]

David, I have the perfect slogan for the Republican Party come 2012: "Conservatives with Common Sense!" That ought to bring the "middle" over to our side, don't you think? Obamanation will make as huge of a mess of things as Carter did, so I have all confidence come 2012 that that animal will be out of there and hopefully, go down in history as the worst president in US History. But...........if the media handles this, it won't happen.

Even if most people do NOT believe Obamanation is a moslem, I truly believe in his heart, HE thinks he is, a covert moslem and that is more dangerous than any of the others.

My guess is, if you take your mother's side, in Judaism, then this child would be born a Jew, no? But then again, if a Jewish woman married or gave son to a muslim man, then HOW could she be Jewish? Wouldn't that be going against all she was taught and believed in?