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Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« on: February 18, 2009, 04:27:55 PM »

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/02/gates-of-vienna-news-feed-2162009.html#9870


Belgrade, 13 Feb. (AKI) - Serbia’s northern Vojvodina province has triggered a heated national debate by demanding more regional autonomy, which opposition and some members of the ruling coalition fear is a bid for future separatism.

Of Serbia’s 7.5 million population, some two million live in the province of Vojvodina, which already enjoys a degree of autonomy, including local government and a parliament with limited competences.

But local parliament recently adopted a new statute for the province, which provides for more legislative powers, financial independence, the right to conclude international agreements and to have its own diplomatic missions abroad.

About one half of Vojvodina's population are Serbs, while the rest is made up of more than 20 other ethnic groups, including 150,000 Hungarians. Minorities have their own media, schools and even a university in the Hungarian language.

However, local politicians, including some Serbs, have been calling for more political and financial independence from Belgrade and their demands have been defined in the new statute which still has to be approved by the Serbian parliament in Belgrade.

The sensitive issue has triggered a stormy debate, because Serbia is still fighting a diplomatic battle to retain control over their former southern province of Kosovo, whose majority ethnic Albanians declared independence a year ago.

The new statute enjoys the support of pro-European president Boris Tadic and his Democratic Party, which has a strong electoral base in Vojvodina.

However, opposition politicians, including former prime minister Vojislav Kostunica, have warned that the new statute was a first step towards separatism and further disintegration of the country.

Kostunica said the statute was “anti constitutional” and called on MPs to “pass the test of patriotism” and reject the statute in the parliament.

He further accused Tadic’s ruling coalition of “deliberately undermining the country’s constitutional order and Serbia itself”.

But Ivica Dacic, whose Socialist Party of Serbia is a member of the ruling coalition, said his deputies would vote against the statute. “The SPS is not against Vojvodina's autonomy, but is against the creation of another state in Serbia,” he said.

On the other hand, Balint Pastor the leader of the Alliance of Vojvodina Hungarians, said his party would quit the ruling coalition if the statute was killed in parliament.

A similar position was taken by Nenad Canak, a Serb, whose League of Vojvodina Social Democrats has spearheaded the drive for more autonomy.

The situation was further complicated by the Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church, who wrote to Tadic in order to kill the statute in parliament because it was “destructive for Serbia”. 

The call provoked a wave of criticism from the statute supporters and non-governmental organisations, pointing out that the Church was separated from the state and should not interfere in political affairs.

As the debate has become more heated, Tadic has said that same parts of the statute might be revaluated, but its supporters vowed not to consent to any changes.
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2009, 04:38:36 PM »
Dangerous development.

Kerber presented a good analysis of Vojvodina problem here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,30824.msg320855.html#msg320855
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2009, 04:44:01 PM »
Dangerous development.

Kerber presented a good analysis of Vojvodina problem here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,30824.msg320855.html#msg320855

  Yes, I remeber those threads...Here is another one 

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,24930.0.html

  I opened this topic because this was discussed some days ago in Serbian Parlament...
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2009, 04:54:26 PM »
So if I understand correctly, some Vojvodina Serbs want the independence themselves?

(They are majority in Vojvodina and it can't legally declare independence without their approvement)
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2009, 04:56:38 PM »
   I know self-hating so called Serbs from Vojvodina who want Autonomy! I have only disrespect for them!
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2009, 04:59:50 PM »
What is their argument? Do they consider themselves a different nation from the rest of Serbia?
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2009, 05:08:17 PM »
 I don't think so, no! But they want to "live better"...They think that Belgrade is guilty for almost everything!
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2009, 05:19:25 PM »
to sum it up...they are imbecils. every nation has them...we tend to have them a lot in the last 20 years

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Re: Serbia�s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 06:05:52 AM »
Ex German ambassador Zobel said once that Serbia have to "forget the Kosovo case and to prepare for Vojvodina and Raska region".After that,German Government removed him from the position,but not for being hostile toward Serbia,but for telling the truth of ongoing developments before its time.

The occupation of Vojvodina is going to happen.It will be separated from Serbia.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 08:17:39 PM »
Here is another important fact that some of you might not know why Germans want Vojvodina to separate. I almost forgot to mention it earlier:

VOJVODINA HAS SOME OF THE MOST FERTILE LAND IN ENTIRE EUROPE. SINCE GERMANY DID NOT SUCCEED IN KEEPING UKRAINE'S FERTILE LAND IN WWII, THEY MIGHT AS WELL GO FOR THE SECOND BEST SPOT. IT IS BELIEVED THAT SHOULD VOJVODINA AGRICULTURE BE PUT INTO FOOL SPEED AND PRODUCTION, IT COULD FEED HALF OF EUROPE.............SOUNDS LIKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TO ME.

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Re: Serbia�s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 01:42:37 AM »
About one half of Vojvodina's population are Serbs, while the rest is made up of more than 20 other ethnic groups, including 150,000 Hungarians. Minorities have their own media, schools and even a university in the Hungarian language.
That's false!Little more then 70% are Serbs.Today,even maybe 75%,because of Hungarian emigration.
The rest considering minorities is the truth.They have the best conditions in the world.No European country gives the rights to its minorities like foolish Serbia.

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However, local politicians, including some Serbs, have been calling for more political and financial independence from Belgrade and their demands have been defined in the new statute which still has to be approved by the Serbian parliament in Belgrade.
Those Serbs don't have a big political power in the province(about 5% of voters).And those "Serbs" are gathered in one party called "League of Social Democrats of Vojvodina".Leaders is a traitor Serbian,but majority of the members in the party are Croats,Hungarians and other minorities.


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The new statute enjoys the support of pro-European president Boris Tadic and his Democratic Party, which has a strong electoral base in Vojvodina.
Yes.His Democratic Party is the creator of secession(as good EU servant) and foreign economical occupation of Vojvodina.His party is on power-on Republic's and on Province's level.

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However, opposition politicians, including former prime minister Vojislav Kostunica, have warned that the new statute was a first step towards separatism and further disintegration of the country.

Kostunica said the statute was �anti constitutional� and called on MPs to �pass the test of patriotism� and reject the statute in the parliament.

He further accused Tadic�s ruling coalition of �deliberately undermining the country�s constitutional order and Serbia itself�.
He should NEVER speak again!This imbecile is responsible for current situation.He ruled with Democratic Party in coalition and brought them a huge power,so huge that today they can create another "state" of our part of the country.

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But Ivica Dacic, whose Socialist Party of Serbia is a member of the ruling coalition, said his deputies would vote against the statute. �The SPS is not against Vojvodina's autonomy, but is against the creation of another state in Serbia,� he said.
Haha...This little pig-faced man talked before elections that he won't go with Tadic,but he eventually did.He received a lot of money during Kostunica's mandate and was caught.Now he is going to do whatever they tell him.He is going to support.

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On the other hand, Balint Pastor the leader of the Alliance of Vojvodina Hungarians, said his party would quit the ruling coalition if the statute was killed in parliament.
This is Hungarian separatist leader.He should be expelled from the state.

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A similar position was taken by Nenad Canak, a Serb, whose League of Vojvodina Social Democrats has spearheaded the drive for more autonomy.
I already have told who he is-paid man from G.Soros and his NGOs.He already made so called "Vojvodina's passport".

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The situation was further complicated by the Holy Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church, who wrote to Tadic in order to kill the statute in parliament because it was �destructive for Serbia�. 
Yeah...They've remembered to say something when it's already too late.They are silenced for 9 years...But it's important that they've signed Ravena Document recognizing Pope as their "First Patriarch" and "first among the equals".The Church is very weak,it's divided on two wings.The first and bigger one is ecumenical,pro-EU,liberal,fallen one,and the second is truly devoted to G-d,anti-EU,anti-liberal(Artemije,Filaret,Amfilohije).Leader og ecumenical liberal,pro-Vatican wing is bishop Grigorije with all other bishops.

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The call provoked a wave of criticism from the statute supporters and non-governmental organisations, pointing out that the Church was separated from the state and should not interfere in political affairs.
Of course they are going to be critical,beacause they know that even weakened the Church has great influence,so they are afraid that their plans might not be completed.

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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2009, 05:23:37 AM »
I dont think there will be a seperation of vojvodina, i dont see how they could do it
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Re: Serbia�s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2009, 03:32:18 PM »
I dont think there will be a seperation of vojvodina, i dont see how they could do it
I wrote about it,and if you live in Serbia,you can understand it very easily.

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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »
Here is another important fact that some of you might not know why Germans want Vojvodina to separate. I almost forgot to mention it earlier:

VOJVODINA HAS SOME OF THE MOST FERTILE LAND IN ENTIRE EUROPE. SINCE GERMANY DID NOT SUCCEED IN KEEPING UKRAINE'S FERTILE LAND IN WWII, THEY MIGHT AS WELL GO FOR THE SECOND BEST SPOT. IT IS BELIEVED THAT SHOULD VOJVODINA AGRICULTURE BE PUT INTO FOOL SPEED AND PRODUCTION, IT COULD FEED HALF OF EUROPE.............SOUNDS LIKE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TO ME.

exactly!!did you know albanians are slowly moving to vojvodina!(not in big numbers for now but!)

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Re: Serbia�s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 05:43:16 PM »
What is their argument? Do they consider themselves a different nation from the rest of Serbia?

Not yet, but, following examples from the past (with Montenegro as the most recent case) they (those "autonomy freaks") will consider that in future.
Not the first time, it happened before, those so-called "provinces" were becoming states, than they became "nations", than got an "independent" state, than got a language etc.
The same happened in Montenegro, earlier in Bosnia and that nation-mix FYRO Macedonia.
It's now happening in Vojvodina "republika".

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 12:19:11 AM »
Untill there is a strong dictatorship in Serbia, the country will keep getting smaller. I'm sorry to say that, but just like Russians, the only time that Serbia was actually in good condition is during a dictatorshiip. Sad but true. Serbs need to be told what to do instead of doing it by themselves.

Will Vojvodina separate? I am afraid that it is very possible untill Tadic and his pro-eu group is overthown.

Even worse than that is the fact that Serbs, although extremely intelligent (and very attractive), are their own worst enemy. Why? Because eventhough the intelligence level is high, they do not know how to use it. That's the same thing if they were stupid.

In the last 5 years, the government in Serbia has been trying to push the same school system as it is in the US. I am personally offended by that because it wil take the intelligence level down. Hearing from my cousins (other than those who are pro-EU), I can tell that the school in Serbia is more than twice as hard as it is in the US from 1st-12th grade. To try to lower that is a real disgrace and embarrasment. No offense to those who went to high school in the US.

Perhaps it is another way to dominate Serbs by trying to make them retarted, starting at the early age. So f'n sad.

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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2009, 11:50:52 AM »
serbs are individualists,we all have they're own ideas,and we think our way is better then others,so everybody has an aspiration to be a leader,the product is what we see today...

Dunno bout that dumbing down the schools,if its true,its done recently(few years),but its probably true.

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 06:15:42 AM »
We discussed that a long time ago.. Were there new developments since then? Is the EU-promoted plan of "regionalization" (i.e. further division of Serbia into puppet states) still alive? Or it was finally rejected by Serbs and thrown into the dustbin of history?
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Re: Serbia’s Vojvodina Autonomy demand sparks separatism fears
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 06:57:33 AM »
We discussed that a long time ago.. Were there new developments since then? Is the EU-promoted plan of "regionalization" (i.e. further division of Serbia into puppet states) still alive? Or it was finally rejected by Serbs and thrown into the dustbin of history?
Vojvodina got a new "status" a few days ago. Our politicians assure us that everything is going to be ok, but we know better. Someone decided that Serbia must be as weak as possible, and their plan works.

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 06:59:50 AM »
We discussed that a long time ago.. Were there new developments since then? Is the EU-promoted plan of "regionalization" (i.e. further division of Serbia into puppet states) still alive? Or it was finally rejected by Serbs and thrown into the dustbin of history?
Vojvodina got a new "status" a few days ago. Our politicians assure us that everything is going to be ok, but we know better. Someone decided that Serbia must be as weak as possible, and their plan works.

That's bad news.. And what new advantages does it give to Vojvodina? What can they now do independetly of Belgrade?
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 07:08:09 AM »
We discussed that a long time ago.. Were there new developments since then? Is the EU-promoted plan of "regionalization" (i.e. further division of Serbia into puppet states) still alive? Or it was finally rejected by Serbs and thrown into the dustbin of history?
Vojvodina got a new "status" a few days ago. Our politicians assure us that everything is going to be ok, but we know better. Someone decided that Serbia must be as weak as possible, and their plan works.

That's bad news.. And what new advantages does it give to Vojevodina? What can they now do independetly of Belgrade?
I don't know exactly, but they have a lot of new rights. I think they even have a capital of Vojvodina now. It's not important what they have now, it's what they'll have in the future. Their politicians are already saying that this is a "good start".

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 07:39:45 AM »
Who are their politicians? Are they Hungarians or Serbs? As far as I know, Serbs are the majority in Vojvodina?
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 07:42:24 AM »
Who are their politicians? Are they Hungarians or Serbs? As far as I know, Serbs are the majority in Vojvodina?

Serbs are the majority, but the Hungarians are majority in North Vojvodina. But I don't think that they would join to Hungary again. I think Hungarians don't want any fights anymore. They are not like Kosovars.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 07:48:35 AM »
Who are their politicians? Are they Hungarians or Serbs? As far as I know, Serbs are the majority in Vojvodina?

Serbs are the majority, but the Hungarians are majority in North Vojvodina. But I don't think that they would join to Hungary again. I think Hungarians don't want any fights anymore. They are not like Kosovars.

That's probably true but they may want independence. If even Montenegrins (who are hardly different from Serbs) voted for independence, why the residents of Vojvodina can't do it? I guess it is all consequences of liberal pro-EU propaganda.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 07:57:21 AM »
Most of them are traitor Serbs, but every Hungarian politician is pushing for more autonomy also. Hungarians won't fight, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't like to secede. There is war waged against Serbia, a psychological war. Just like against Israel.