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Offline Hanketcham

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I dont understand! Need help!
« on: February 23, 2009, 06:54:51 AM »
I am not too well versed in Judaism.  Kindly explain:  Is there a clash between the Haskah, Regular Judaism and the concepts of Kabbalah?  After reading people's posts I feel there is.  Is Kabbalah considered an innovation or un-Jewish?  Kindly explain.

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Re: I dont understand! Need help!
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 09:38:49 AM »
I am not too well versed in Judaism.  Kindly explain:  Is there a clash between the Haskah, Regular Judaism and the concepts of Kabbalah?  After reading people's posts I feel there is.  Is Kabbalah considered an innovation or un-Jewish?  Kindly explain.

Kabbalah is not an innovation and it is very Jewish. There are some Jews who don't consider some sefers of Kabbalah to be authentic but there is no debate as to whether Kabbalah is an integral part of Torah. In Chassidic Judaism Kabbalah plays a major part.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: I dont understand! Need help!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2009, 05:03:33 PM »
I am not too well versed in Judaism.  Kindly explain:  Is there a clash between the Haskah, Regular Judaism and the concepts of Kabbalah?  After reading people's posts I feel there is.  Is Kabbalah considered an innovation or un-Jewish?  Kindly explain.

Kabbalah is not an innovation and it is very Jewish. There are some Jews who don't consider some sefers of Kabbalah to be authentic but there is no debate as to whether Kabbalah is an integral part of Torah. In Chassidic Judaism Kabbalah plays a major part.



Not true.

There are many Rabbis both in the past and present who do not accept the Kabbalah as an integral part of the Torah.

Rabbi Yihhya Gafekh and the Dordaim Yemenite Jews as well as many Ashkenazi Rabbis as well.

And Rabbi Saadya gaon, Maimonides, the Hovot Halevavot all wrote many things that contradict the basic beleifs of Kabbalah.
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Re: I dont understand! Need help!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 05:30:24 PM »
I am not too well versed in Judaism.  Kindly explain:  Is there a clash between the Haskah, Regular Judaism and the concepts of Kabbalah?  After reading people's posts I feel there is.  Is Kabbalah considered an innovation or un-Jewish?  Kindly explain.

Kabbalah is not an innovation and it is very Jewish. There are some Jews who don't consider some sefers of Kabbalah to be authentic but there is no debate as to whether Kabbalah is an integral part of Torah. In Chassidic Judaism Kabbalah plays a major part.



Not true.

There are many Rabbis both in the past and present who do not accept the Kabbalah as an integral part of the Torah.

Rabbi Yihhya Gafekh and the Dordaim Yemenite Jews as well as many Ashkenazi Rabbis as well.

And Rabbi Saadya gaon, Maimonides, the Hovot Halevavot all wrote many things that contradict the basic beleifs of Kabbalah.

Yes, there are those who dont agree with this view. But those who do believe that Kabbalah is an integral part of Jewishs belief are much more prevalent. I have yet to hear a single rabbi, aside from those you mentioned, speak out against Kabbalah.

As far as Chassidus, and Modern Orthodox and Sefardic Judaism Kabbalah is a well accepted part of the belief. Im sorry if I didn't make it clear that there are those who question Kabbalah. Aside from those who reject Kabbalah here at JTF I have yet to know any Jews who dont believe. I have listened to many Rabbis, from Chabad and from Aish and from other Yeshivas and virtually every one of them quotes Zohar frequently. Also my personal Rabbis include 2 Chabad rabbis and one Modern Orthodox who all are knowledgeable about Zohar and Kabbalah.

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You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14