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Muslims behead three young girls for the crime of being Christian
Fruit of thy loins:
FFS Sarah. Are you a Muslim or aren't you? ::)
ftfl:
FOTL: It's hard when you realise something that you've believed in for a long time is wrong, just leave her alone.
Fruit of thy loins:
--- Quote from: ftf on April 02, 2007, 07:46:07 PM ---FOTL: It's hard when you realise something that you've believed in for a long time is wrong, just leave her alone.
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She doesn't believe that Islam is wrong. She is completely morally relative about it, justifying it on occasion.
MarZutra:
You are right we all do believe to be correct, but logic and morality have to take place here some place no? Is it logic and moral to murder children, rape women, stab people and cut off their heads in the name of G-d and quoting passages within the bible? The answer is no? These people are either evil or the faith itself is evil. The fact that the Quraan sanctions, demands war against and submission of the infidel until the entire world is dar Al Islam dictates to me that there is no tolerance whatsoever, no free will, just followers for an entire world under Dar Al Islam ruled by some tyrant.
The principals of Judaism demands only Israel be Jewish not the World and Jews lead a moral life: "Love they neighbor as thyself....that is Torah...go learn it"- Hillel the elder. The fact that there would be no such thing as ethical-morality or one sole G-d if Moses hadn't given the Torah to the Jews at Mt. Sinai dictates something especially when I know of no Jewish Terrorist groups that are out blowing themselves up, highjacking plains, bombing trains, murdering school children, massacring families and raping innocent women all in the name of their religion/G-d...
Logic must appear some place no? It wasn't Christianity, Judaism or Hinduism that allowed virtually the entire planet, with exception to the Muslim world, to be a police state with massive amounts of dollars to be spent on searching people for bombs etc.? If Islam was truly a religion of peace would you expect infidels/kufar to have the same freedoms and rights you yourself now have in Dar al Harb/Britain afforded to them in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Iraq etc. etc.? Where are the Muslims to speak on behalf of the Kuffar who would like to visit Mecca? Perhaps build a sea side cottage on the beautiful coast of Yemen? Where is the Churches or Synagogues in Arabia? They'd get their heads cut off and their houses of worship destroyed or desecrated into mosques or garbage dumps like the Holy Western Wall and all the Jewish Holy places had been for 1400 years and most especially between 1948-1967 under Jordanian rule. Is that "peaceful"? Is that "tolerant"?
What a sick, vile, disgusting faith.....
Qur'an 9:71 "O Prophet, strive hard [fight] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed."
Qur'an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."
Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Sarah:
I've got the Quran right here in front of me and i'll post what the "written"-in a book version- says:
--- Quote ---Qur'an 9:71 "O Prophet, strive hard [fight] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed."
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"The believers, men and women, are Auliya(helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin on the people Al-Maruf(Islamic monotheism) and forbid people from polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, they perform as-salat and give charity and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah will have his mercy on them. Surely Allah is mighty All-Wise"9:71
I'm not sure where you got yours from. If its the internet, then i suggest checking it out in the Quran itself, there could be anything out there.
--- Quote ---Qur'an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
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Read the Story. You decontextualised it. But it is referring to a time at war at when you quoted it, yours said "disbelievers", when in fact it says MUSHRIKUN, which means Idolaters and referred to the Arabians who worshipped Idols, not the Kitabi, like yourself who believe in the book.
--- Quote ---Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."[quote/]
Yep this ayah is pretty much precisely what it says infront of me. Except it goes onto say "....and if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of the."
--- Quote ---Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
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Here it says, quite the same but yours is worded a lot differently:
" Remember when your Lord revealed to the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes,"
Yes, this is advocating a lot of violence.
You, the jews and Christians are considered Believers of the Book.
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FFS Sarah. Are you a Muslim or aren't you?
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Whats FFS?
--- Quote ---She doesn't believe that Islam is wrong
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Its nice to know that you think you can announce what i believe and don't believe.
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