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More Dangers Of Pork
muman613:
--- Quote from: Shamgar on May 03, 2009, 10:03:10 PM ---I eat pork every now and then, but I eat a lot of oatmeal.
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Wow, is that metaphysical or what :!
freedomannie:
From a medical stand point i understand the reasons why we are told not to eat pork or any other garbage eater...we are what we eat...for instance with these garbage eaters i understand they have an enzyme that breaks down tissue so they can do their jobs correctly...like lobster or crabs etc...so when we ingest these foods we are ingesting the same enzyme that can break down our flesh...this is why we shouldn't eat them...at least to my understanding this is what i gather!
Sefardic Panther:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 03, 2009, 06:21:37 PM ---REALLY? The ultimate symbol of treif ? Where does it say that exactly?
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Come on you’re joking aren’t you? Are you joking? Man you ought to know this!!! Well just of the top of my head and by all means this is certainly not all –
The very word “hazir” implys a “regression”.
In the final 2 chapters of Yeshayahu Hashem’s anger is kindled against those who eat pork. Why not those who eat any other treif?
In Talmud Bavli Berachoth 25a the pig is called a walking toilet. Yet there are other animals who eat excrement.
Esaw/the roman empire was so evil that Hazal in the Midrashim associated it with the pig.
Mishlei 11:22 says a beautiful woman without discretion is like a ring of gold on the snout of a pig. Throughout Torah the pig is demonized like this.
There is also the common Yehudi expression “as treif as the hazir”.
Why don’t other treif animals have such a low status? Infact the lion, the eagle, the serpent and the horse are treif animals yet they have the very high status of being depicted as part of G-d’s Throne.
Really man if you dispute what I’m saying here the burden of proof should be on you!
Toda muman613! No. 3, 9 and 20 imply physical as well as spiritual damage. Its interesting that the very first negative Mitzwa G-d ever gave man was a food law and physical death was the price of breaking it.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on May 04, 2009, 04:02:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 03, 2009, 06:21:37 PM ---REALLY? The ultimate symbol of treif ? Where does it say that exactly?
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Why don’t other treif animals have such a low status? Infact the lion, the eagle, the serpent and the horse are treif animals yet they have the very high status of being depicted as part of G-d’s Throne.
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Perhaps because they don't roll around in their own feces. A pig happens to be a revolting animal. That is clear to any rational, civilized person. Thus the use of all those metaphors. That doesn't make it the "ultimate symbol of treif." "Treif" is not defined by 'what animal is revolting or disgusting and what animal isn't.' (Just the same as it is not based on what animal is healthy to eat and what animal not). This in fact, proves my point.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 04, 2009, 04:20:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on May 04, 2009, 04:02:29 PM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on May 03, 2009, 06:21:37 PM ---REALLY? The ultimate symbol of treif ? Where does it say that exactly?
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Why don’t other treif animals have such a low status? Infact the lion, the eagle, the serpent and the horse are treif animals yet they have the very high status of being depicted as part of G-d’s Throne.
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Perhaps because they don't roll around in their own feces. A pig happens to be a revolting animal. That is clear to any rational, civilized person. Thus the use of all those metaphors. That doesn't make it the "ultimate symbol of treif." "Treif" is not defined by 'what animal is revolting or disgusting and what animal isn't.' (Just the same as it is not based on what animal is healthy to eat and what animal not). This in fact, proves my point.
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I believe that technically treif is the wrong word to use. I believe I read the treif means torn, as in a limb torn from an animal. I think that the pig is the ultimate symbol of unkosher animals.
http://www.ou.org/torah/dafyomi/5764/030504.htm
--- Quote ---"Be holy people to me. Do not eat flesh torn off ('Treifah') in the field by a predator. Cast it to the dogs".
This sentence in Exodus 22:30, is the source for the prohibition against eating Treif. Like many other Jewish Dietary Laws, most of the laws of Treifah are not to be found in the Written Law, the Torah Shebichtav, but rather in the Oral Law, the Torah Sheba'al Peh.
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