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German official condemns burka
« on: March 16, 2009, 11:36:12 AM »
The German interior minister came out strongly against the burka Thursday, saying the body-covering garment worn by some religious Muslims impeded communication and obstructed integration.

Calling on German and European Muslims to embrace European laws and norms, the minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, said he generally accepted the rights of Muslims to wear the head covering of their choice but that the burka was a step too far.

"Politicians should not deal with headgear of men and women. But the burka is different," he said in outlining Germany's agenda for its European Union presidency. "You can't see the eyes of someone, and that is the opposite of what we believe communication should be like. Integration requires communication, and we don't want to isolate each other."

Schäuble, a leader of Chancellor Angela Merkel's center right Christian Democratic Union, added that he wanted to make Muslim integration a key issue of the six-month EU presidency, which began this month. Alluding to the recent terrorist plots in Britain, Denmark and Germany — which are alleged to have been perpetrated by second-generation home-grown radicals — he said it was essential to prevent the entrenchment of "parallel communities" where Muslims lived on the fringes of European society.

Pointing to a values gap apparent in some elements of Islam, he noted that Christianity had undergone an Enlightenment after the excesses of the Crusades, while parts of the Islamic world had not experienced it. He added that Muslims in Germany needed to accept universal human rights, including the equal treatment of men and women.

"There are parts of Islam where the Enlightenment still needs to be implemented," he said. "The role of women in Islam is a big problem; as soon as Islam wishes to regard itself as part of Europe, Islam will have to solve this issue."

Schäuble's comments on the burka were the latest in a Europe-wide debate over Muslim integration in which the garment has been seized on by some critics as a symbol of the irreconcilability of conservative Islam with European values. Jack Straw, Britain's leader of the House of Commons and a former foreign secretary, stirred controversy in October when he revealed that he asked Muslim women in his constituency to remove their burkas when addressing him because he felt the garment impeded conversation.

More recently, the Christian Democrats in the Netherlands won the most seats in Parliament after strongly advocating a law banning burkas in the street, in schools, trains, buses and law courts. Prime Minister Romano Prodi of Italy has also echoed Straw, saying the burka is divisive.

In Germany, which has three million Turks, many of them from religious Muslim backgrounds, debate over head coverings has been fueled by a recent decision by 8 of Germany's 16 states to ban teachers from wearing any political or religious symbols in schools, including head scarves.

In some states, Muslim women have appealed the law. The Central Council of Muslims in Germany, which represents three million Muslims, has repeatedly called the regulation unconstitutional because it does not treat all religions as equal. In Catholic-dominated Bavaria, for example, Christian crosses are allowed in schools while teachers are forbidden from wearing the burka.

A similar debate about the hijab, or head scarf, meant to shield Muslim women from the eyes of men outside their family, has intensified since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the United States. Viewed erroneously by some as a symbol of fundamentalist Islam, it has become at once a source of religious pride and defiance for many European Muslims, as well a target of criticism for some who argue that it impedes assimilation.

France, a secular republic, bans head scarves in schools, while in Turkey they are banned in the civil service.

(http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/11/news/germany.php)

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 12:16:17 PM »
Burkas should be banned.

The problem lies within the fact that Muslims migrate to a modern society and they want that society to assimilate to them, not the other way around. 

Muslims around the world expect the enactment of burkas, honor killings, head scarfes, and sharia law to be the rule of law wherever they live, not just in Muslim nations.

I agree with the idea that Muslims need to assimilate to modern society.  Modern society should not have to cater to their primitive ridiculous beliefs.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 12:18:22 PM »
Burkas should be banned.

The problem lies within the fact that Muslims migrate to a modern society and they want that society to assimilate to them, not the other way around. 

Muslims around the world expect the enactment of burkas, honor killings, head scarfes, and sharia law to be the rule of law wherever they live, not just in Muslim nations.

I agree with the idea that Muslims need to assimilate to modern society.  Modern society should not have to cater to their primitive ridiculous beliefs.

Agree 100%

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 12:23:06 PM »
If you really think about, it the whole issue is ridiculous.

But, almost everything that Muslims do are ridiculous.

They need to assimilate to the community in which they live without complaint or get OUT!!!

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 12:24:16 AM »
Burkas are so unattractive.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2009, 05:17:45 AM »
Burkas are so unattractive.

They are looking like ghosts

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 05:34:13 AM »
who the hell wants to look at ugly moslem women.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 05:38:39 AM »
who the hell wants to look at ugly moslem women.

LOL ok you are rigth  ;D

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 09:28:59 AM »
Burkas should be banned.

The problem lies within the fact that Muslims migrate to a modern society and they want that society to assimilate to them, not the other way around. 

Muslims around the world expect the enactment of burkas, honor killings, head scarfes, and sharia law to be the rule of law wherever they live, not just in Muslim nations.

I agree with the idea that Muslims need to assimilate to modern society.  Modern society should not have to cater to their primitive ridiculous beliefs.

You are so right ag! I have been saying this all along, there is TOO MUCH TOLERANCE for this! They are so arrogant, it's beyond belief!
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 11:07:55 PM »
Burkas are so unattractive.

They are looking like ghosts

They even scare the shi'ite out of me.
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 11:08:37 PM »
who the hell wants to look at ugly moslem women.

Someone with a fetish for fat smelly women.
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 11:09:52 PM »
Burkas should be banned.

The problem lies within the fact that Muslims migrate to a modern society and they want that society to assimilate to them, not the other way around. 

Muslims around the world expect the enactment of burkas, honor killings, head scarfes, and sharia law to be the rule of law wherever they live, not just in Muslim nations.

I agree with the idea that Muslims need to assimilate to modern society.  Modern society should not have to cater to their primitive ridiculous beliefs.

It irks me when liberals always defend this kind of crap.  They don't even mind it of we get in sharia law.

You are so right ag! I have been saying this all along, there is TOO MUCH TOLERANCE for this! They are so arrogant, it's beyond belief!
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 05:44:10 PM »
Common, burqas are...
... great to make fun out of them:


... good to cover the ugly "women" that no one wants to see:


... to see something different, kinda "forest of sub-human trees":


... or just to see how ridiculous islam is:


Iranian soldiers are very well dressed for combats:


But the best burka is this one: http://www.burka.net/burka_team.html  :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D :::D



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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 05:50:12 PM »
lol there are some nice pics  :::D

But the second one...  :yuck: :disease:

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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 06:01:08 PM »
When the smurfit were still muslims:
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2009, 05:44:47 PM »
Love the pictures! :laugh: :::D 8) :P
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Re: German official condemns burka
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2009, 07:22:23 AM »
The Governments seem to forget though it doesn't matter one bit if they ban the burqa now, in a few years time when they have a majority, people in key Government positions will be able to change laws to suit themselves.

What a lot of people don't realise at the moment is they (Muslims) are testing the reactions of the host nations to see how far they can push things.

Once they start becoming a majority you will see the REAL trouble begin. How do I know, they're doing the exact same thing here in Australia...

Slowly, slowly bit by bit the rot takes hold..