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Anunnaki in light of Torah, Talmud, Zohar
Hanketcham:
In light of sacred Jewish texts, is there any indication to Z.Sitchin's postulations on ancient sumerian accounts about the anunnaki?
Sefardic Panther:
I think the Anunnaki could be the Nefilim mentioned in Bereshith ch.6. These were the offspring of Jin and human women.
Nefilim can mean “giants” or “fallen ones”. I think Anunnaki is Akkadian and means “beings from the sky” or "those who descended".
The term “Anaqim” (the descendants of the Nefilim mentioned in Bamidbar ch.13) is very similar to “Anunnaki”. Hevron was originally their chief city.
This is a very interesting subject it would be excellent to see other views on this.
muman613:
http://ohr.edu/ask/ask289.htm
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Glenn Slocum from McKinleyville, CA wrote:
Dear Rabbi,
What are the "Nephilim" mentioned in the Torah?
Dear Glenn Slocum,
The Nephilim are mentioned twice in the Torah (Genesis 6, Numbers 13). "Nephilim" means "the fallen ones." They were people of giant stature. It is not clear how large they were, but were large enough to scare other people. The Targum Yerushalmi, which is a Midrash, explains that they were Angels who descended to the Earth. According to this they were called fallen ones because they fell from their heavenly stature. The Ramban explains otherwise, that they were the other children of Adam. Because Adam, the First Man, was the handiwork of G-d, his children were of greater physical stature than their descendants. Because these people were so close to the Creator, they knew that they had no grandfather, they should have been spiritually elevated. Because they didn't live up to their potential they were considered "fallen ones."
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http://www.ravkooktorah.org/BRAYSHIT60.htm
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The Nephilim
Immediately before the story of Noah and a corrupted world, the Torah makes a passing mention of Nephilim, powerful giants who lived at that time.
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days. ... They were the mightiest ones ever, men of renown." [Gen. 6:4]
Who were these titans? Why does the Torah call them Nephilim?
The Midrash explains that they were called Nephilim because they fell (naphlu) and brought about the world's downfall (nephilah). These giants were catalysts for a great moral collapse of society.
Studying Foreign Languages
In 1906, fifteen-year-old Tzvi Yehuda Kook asked his father whether he should devote time to learning other languages. In his response, Rav Kook analyzed the relative importance of expertise in languages and rhetoric:
"We should aspire to help others, both our own people and all of humanity, as much as possible. Certainly, our influence will increase as we gain competence in various languages and speaking styles. ... But if perfecting these skills will come at the expense of analytic study, then this will reduce the true intellectual content in one's contribution to the world."
Some people mistake proficiency in many languages for intellectual greatness. This is not the case. Linguistic talents are merely tools. Genuine perceptiveness and intellectual insight are a function of how well one has established the foundations of one's own inner integrity.
To demonstrate his point, Rav Kook noted that the great Nephilim who brought about the world's moral collapse were "anshei shem." Usually translated as 'men of renown,' this phrase literally means 'men of names,' or 'men of words.' They were great leaders, skilled in the arts of persuasion and rhetoric. But their talents were an empty shell, devoid of inner content. On the contrary, they used their superficial eloquence for unscrupulous purposes.
It is interesting to contrast the Nephilim and their highly-developed oratorical skills with the individual responsible for bringing the Torah’s teachings to the world. The highest level of prophecy was transmitted through a man who testified about himself that he was not a man of words, but "heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue" [Ex. 4:10]. Moses was not talented in rhetoric and lacked confidence in his communication skills. Nonetheless, his moral impact on the world is without equal in the history of mankind.
Tools of War
In these pre-Messianic times, Rav Kook wrote, when we must do battle against ideological foes who attack all that is holy to us, we should look to King David for inspiration. David rejected the heavy armor of Saul, for he was not trained in the art of war. Rather, he gathered five smooth stones from the stream. The five stones are a metaphor: David waged his battle against Goliath and his blasphemy using the spiritual teachings of the Five Books of Moses.
We should emulate David, and not invest too much of our time and effort acquiring the tools of ideological warfare. Like the young shepherd who took up a slingshot in his fight against Goliath, we should not totally eschew the implements of rhetoric. But David's victory over the blasphemous Philistine was achieved due to the purity of his charge, "in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel" [I Samuel 17:45].
Eloquence and elocution are but tools. They may be used for nefarious purposes, like the corrupt Nephilim, or for conquering evil, like David. Ultimately, it is not the medium but the message that counts.
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Hanketcham:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on March 17, 2009, 04:16:33 PM ---I think the Anunnaki could be the Nefilim mentioned in Bereshith ch.6. These were the offspring of Jin and human women.
Nefilim can mean “giants” or “fallen ones”. I think Anunnaki is Akkadian and means “beings from the sky” or "those who descended".
The term “Anaqim” (the descendants of the Nefilim mentioned in Bamidbar ch.13) is very similar to “Anunnaki”. Hevron was originally their chief city.
This is a very interesting subject it would be excellent to see other views on this.
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Where can we locate Hevron on the present day map!
So the anunnaki were human / jin hybrids as well as fallen from a great stature (fallen Angels).
I am very inquisitive as to where the union of jin and woman took place. Is Lillith involved in this union of jin and woman? Was her union with Samael the original mating that led to this hybrid race of jin and woman? It is believed that Lillith and Samael consummated their relationship after Lillith rejected Adam and fled, refusing to return with the Angels G-d sent after her. so she sided with Samael. Was samael eventually a fallen angel.? Is he lucifer?
If they did concieve, him and Lillith, then they had hybrid jin/woman offspring. And unless they did not reject their parents, they are all of teh fallen ones.
Any views on this???
Harzel:
--- Quote from: Hanketcham on March 18, 2009, 03:39:33 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on March 17, 2009, 04:16:33 PM ---I think the Anunnaki could be the Nefilim mentioned in Bereshith ch.6. These were the offspring of Jin and human women.
Nefilim can mean “giants” or “fallen ones”. I think Anunnaki is Akkadian and means “beings from the sky” or "those who descended".
The term “Anaqim” (the descendants of the Nefilim mentioned in Bamidbar ch.13) is very similar to “Anunnaki”. Hevron was originally their chief city.
This is a very interesting subject it would be excellent to see other views on this.
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Where can we locate Hevron on the present day map!
So the anunnaki were human / jin hybrids as well as fallen from a great stature (fallen Angels).
I am very inquisitive as to where the union of jin and woman took place. Is Lillith involved in this union of jin and woman? Was her union with Samael the original mating that led to this hybrid race of jin and woman? It is believed that Lillith and Samael consummated their relationship after Lillith rejected Adam and fled, refusing to return with the Angels G-d sent after her. so she sided with Samael. Was samael eventually a fallen angel.? Is he lucifer?
If they did concieve, him and Lillith, then they had hybrid jin/woman offspring. And unless they did not reject their parents, they are all of teh fallen ones.
Any views on this???
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Ancient Hebron is usually identified as "Tel Rumeida" (Such is the Arab name, the proper name should be "Tel Hebron"). Today there is a small Jewish settlement in the place. They live in trailer type houses so not to destroy archeological findings and to allow excavation.
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