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Anunnaki in light of Torah, Talmud, Zohar
muman613:
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--- Quote from: muman613 on March 20, 2009, 01:11:58 AM ---I actually think this whole thread is not kosher. I was not aware what Anunnaki was. It is also a fact that my last name when re-arranged spells a name of an egyptian gourd but I will not mention it. I think it is best to avoid discussion of these kinds of things..
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Mumman even the bible itself mentions the name of the idol gods such as the baal, the ashera, and the molech.
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This is true but it is also a commandment to never speak the name of other G-ds and I have already posted the relevant portions of Torah where it is discussed. The issue is not whether or not other forces exist, we all know that when Hashem created heaven and earth he did create forces which could be confused by man as gods... Several generations after Adam the people of the world knew that Hashem was god but that it would be OK to worship the forces of the world and thus came idol worship. Hashem is aware of this and commanded JEWS not to worship these forces. When a name of a idol is written it gives power to the idol and it may lead others to look into the idol and learn how to worship it. This also violates the mitzvah of leading others astray. Anyone interested in Baal must be sick... You know how they worshipped Baal don't you?
muman613:
http://www.vbm-torah.org/parsha.58/32behar.htm
--- Quote ---The prohibition of idol worship that appears in these two parshiot is also differentiated by these two basic differences - the focus on man (Mishpatim) or on the sanctified place (Behar). The spotlight in Mishpatim is turned to the individual Israelite who must not remember other gods. Not only is ritual-religious worship prohibited, but also abstract sectors of philosophical thought are forbidden. In comparison, in our parasha the prohibition stems from the concept that the land of Israel is a sanctified place where idol worship cannot be tolerated: "You shall not make idols for yourselves, or set up for yourselves images or pillars, or place figured stones in your land to worship upon ..." It is forbidden to build idols or statues in the land (even if no man is going to worship them), and do not put "in your land" figured stones. There is a clear feeling that the land will be desecrated by placing of idols or statues within it, and "in your land" it is forbidden to place even a stone that may be used for worship.
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Sefardic Panther:
The names of Akkadian deities are also Hebrew Toranic words. For instance Shemesh, Baal and Moloch were Akkadian deities but “Shemesh” is also the Hebrew word for the sun, “Baal” is also Hebrew for master (eg. the Baal Shem tov) and Moloch is also Hebrew for messanger/angel. This is because Avraham Avinu did not invent the Hebrew language when he came to the Holy Land Hebrew was already the language of the culture he came from. Of course we should never study any pagan religion but what is wrong with studying the origins of our language and the origins and meaning of many words that occur in the Torah?
Shabat Shalom
Hanketcham:
Sorry, I apologize for posting mythological diety names.
I was not to aware that were not to mention them at this forum.
I was just seeking a polemic discussion but with no intention of offense.
Kindly accept my apology. Thank you for your patience and consideration.
Shalom
Harzel:
--- Quote from: muman613 on March 20, 2009, 11:41:51 AM ---http://www.vbm-torah.org/Parasha.58/32behar.htm
--- Quote ---The prohibition of idol worship that appears in these two parshiot is also differentiated by these two basic differences - the focus on man (Mishpatim) or on the sanctified place (Behar). The spotlight in Mishpatim is turned to the individual Israelite who must not remember other gods. Not only is ritual-religious worship prohibited, but also abstract sectors of philosophical thought are forbidden. In comparison, in our parasha the prohibition stems from the concept that the land of Israel is a sanctified place where idol worship cannot be tolerated: "You shall not make idols for yourselves, or set up for yourselves images or pillars, or place figured stones in your land to worship upon ..." It is forbidden to build idols or statues in the land (even if no man is going to worship them), and do not put "in your land" figured stones. There is a clear feeling that the land will be desecrated by placing of idols or statues within it, and "in your land" it is forbidden to place even a stone that may be used for worship.
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I don't think that the quoted passage validates you assertion that even mentioning the names of idols is forbidden. Moreover like S.P. mentions, some idols' names are everyday words in Hebrew like Shamash/Shemesh, Baal, even the word El is a name of a Mesopotamian idol.
In English the names for the planets and for some days of the week are those of Indo-European idols, so do you avoid those words Muman ?
BTW, Personally, I think that the name of the natural object/entity such as the sun (Shemesh) preceded the 'deity' but anyway these idols are a bygone.
I assure you that practically every living person today do NOT attribute any godly power whatsoever to these old idols. Therefore I don't think one can claim that mentioning their names is a form of idolatry.
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