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German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« on: April 02, 2009, 10:05:25 AM »
German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
Tuesday, March 31, 2009
By Rose French

Morristown, Tenn. (AP) - Homeschooling is so important to Uwe Romeike that the classically trained pianist sold his beloved grand pianos to pay for moving his wife and five children from Germany to the Smoky Mountain foothills of Tennessee.
 
Romeike, his wife, Hannelore, and their children live in a modest duplex about 40 miles northeast of Knoxville while they seek political asylum here. They say they were persecuted for their evangelical Christian beliefs and homeschooling their children in Germany, where school attendance is compulsory.
 
When the Romeikes wouldn't comply with repeated orders to send the children to school, police came to their home one October morning in 2006 and took the children, crying and upset, to school.
 
"We tried not to open the door, but they (police) kept ringing the doorbell for 15 or 20 minutes," Romeike said. "They called us by phone and spoke on the answering machine and said they would knock open the door if we didn't open it. So I opened it."
 
Romeike, like many conservative parents in the U.S., said he wanted to teach his own children because his children's German school textbooks contained language and ideas that conflicted with his family's values.
 
He had to pay fines equivalent to hundreds of dollars for his decision, and he's afraid that if he returns to Germany, police will arrest him and government authorities will take away his children, who range in age from 11 to 3.
 
The Romeike asylum case is expected to go before an immigration judge in Memphis on Thursday, according to Michael Donnelly, an attorney with the Home School Legal Defense Association representing the family.
 
Bernadette Meyler, a Cornell Law School professor who has studied differences in religious liberty between the U.S. and Europe, said she's never heard of another case like this in the U.S.
 
Ana Santiago, a regional spokeswoman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said the agency is barred from discussing specific political asylum cases and doesn't keep track of the reasons asylum is granted.
 
Donnelly says the Romeikes saw more freedom to homeschool in the U.S.
 
"Germany sticks out in the midst of Western Europe for having this harsh repression against parents," Donnelly said. "They have this notion that homeschool creates this parallel society and they deem that as dangerous."
 
Lutz Gorgens, German consul general for the Southeast U.S., said he's not familiar with the Romeikes' specific situation but believes the claim of persecution is "far-fetched." He defended Germany's requirements for public education.
 
"For reasons deeply rooted in history and our belief that only schools properly can ensure the desired level of excellent education, we (Germany) go a little bit beyond that path which other countries have chosen," Gorgens said.
 
Germany's approach to homeschooling is starkly different to the U.S. and other European countries. Homeschool students have been growing by an estimated 8 percent annually in the U.S. and as of 2007 totaled about 1.5 million.
 
Only about 500 children in Germany are taught at home, experts estimate.
 
Romeike took his three oldest children out of school in Bietigheim-Bissingen in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg in 2006.
 
His oldest child, Daniel, had a health textbook that used slang terms to describe sexual relations -- including the German equivalent of the "F-word." Other schoolbooks taught disrespect of authority figures and had images and tales about the occult, that included vampires and witches, Romeike said.
 
"It's really different in public schools today than when I was in public school," Romeike said. "They (the state) believe children must be socialized and all kids must grow up the same and act the same, otherwise they wouldn't fit in society."
 
German state constitutions require children attend public schools. Parents who don't comply face punishment ranging from fines to prison time. Germany's highest appellate court ruled in November 2007 that, in severe cases, social services officials could remove children from their parents' care.
 
Not long after the Romeikes removed their children from school in September 2006, the principal talked to the parents about their concerns but urged them to send their children back to class. A letter from town mayor said the couple would be fined 30 euros per child each day they weren't in school. When the Romeikes didn't comply, police went to the home the following month.
 
Susanne Neib, spokeswoman for Baden-Wuerttemberg's Ministry of Education, Youth Affairs and Sports, said that when authorities learn of cases like the Romeikes, they visit the home to explain the benefits of public school.
 
She said the state tries to intervene against homeschooling very rarely, though she declined to estimate how often such cases arise. LIAR!
 
The Romeikes went before a German district judge in 2007 to defend their homeschooling but lost, and higher courts refused to look at the case.
 
Donnelly's group helped the family move last August to Morristown, where the Romeikes say numerous other families homeschool their children.
 
Meyler said the U.S. is more tolerant of homeschooling because of religion's prominence in the country's founding. Germany is more concerned about educating students equally, she said.
 
"The idea is homeschooling might lead to the emergence of separate societies that would not share the same vision of the (German) state,"  :::D Meyler said.
 
But interest in homeschooling hasn't died out. Elisabeth Kuhnle of the Network for Education Freedom, a German homeschool advocacy group, says as many as 50 families attended a recent meeting in Baden-Wuerttemberg.
 
The consul, Gorgens, and other officials maintain that most parents in Germany believe it's most appropriate to send children to schools.
 
"If you put that to a vote, I'm sure that the obligation to send kids to school would be overwhelmingly accepted. It's a popular thing, which does not say that every single parent is happy about it."
 
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Associated Press writer Patrick McGroarty in Berlin contributed to this report.

Source: http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45878
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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »
They should be allowed to stay.The German Consul said due to historical reasons, what a fool maybe he thinks Hitler was home schooled.



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Meyler said the U.S. is more tolerant of homeschooling because of religion's prominence in the country's founding. Germany is more concerned about educating students equally, she said.
 
"The idea is homeschooling might lead to the emergence of separate societies that would not share the same vision of the (German) state,"  rotflmao! Meyler said.
What an idiot
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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 10:44:54 AM »
Home schooling is now coming under attack, here in the US.

Some family somewhere recently was told by a judge they had to send their kids to public school instead of homeschooling them.

I forgot which state it was now....

I hope that they called Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 01:53:49 PM »
Home schooling is now coming under attack, here in the US.

Some family somewhere recently was told by a judge they had to send their kids to public school instead of homeschooling them.

I forgot which state it was now....

I hope that they called Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ.
 

Hanna,

This is true, I saw this somewhere too and I can't remember; but, there was a case recently that a judge made the parents send the kids to school in stead of homeschooling.  And, if I remember correctly, the case was appealed and lost on appeal and the kids had to go to school.

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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 03:03:17 PM »
I hope if they come over here to live that they will find a relatively safe area and not end up in a city like Detroit or another danger zone.

I think they'll fit into America just fine though and I'm glad when European people move here. The only thing that makes me feel conflicted about that though is that if they leave Europe, then that may be leaving the indigenous territory of white people for Muslim invaders to take over.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 03:05:07 PM »
I hope that they called Jay Sekulow of the ACLJ.

I know that he's not liked here by many for obvious reasons, but I think that he deserves a lot of credit for doing a lot to defend people against the evil people at the ACLU.

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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2009, 04:17:36 PM »
Some how, I agree with the judge. Why should the father indoctrinate his kids in a religion. They shouldn't force any religion!

Imagine if this was a muslim, Would you be so supporting then?

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2009, 04:22:24 PM »
Some how, I agree with the judge. Why should the father indoctrinate his kids in a religion. They shouldn't force any religion!

Imagine if this was a muslim, Would you be so supporting then?

If you believe that your religion is correct of course you want to pass your values onto your children. The Bible tells people to train up their child in the right values.

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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 04:25:01 PM »
Some how, I agree with the judge. Why should the father indoctrinate his kids in a religion. They shouldn't force any religion!

Imagine if this was a muslim, Would you be so supporting then?

If you believe that your religion is correct of course you want to pass your values onto your children. The Bible tells people to train up their child in the right values.

Islam also says that, Should we allow muslims to do the same thing NO!!!!
Schools are ment to educate people with a un biaist agenda. I think in a secular country Religion schools should be outlawed. In a non secular one it shouldn't. German scientolgists fled germany, so start a Scientology school in Non-Secular Denmark.

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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2009, 04:28:54 PM »
Islam also says that, Should we allow muslims to do the same thing NO!!!!
Schools are ment to educate people with a un biaist agenda.

Meaning to do something and actually doing it are two different things. What so-called secular schools actually do is teach a left-wing, anti-God, pro-Islam, pro-socialist agenda.

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I think in a secular country Religion schools should be outlawed. In a non secular one it shouldn't. German scientolgists fled germany, so start a Scientology school in Non-Secular Denmark.

I believe in freedom of choice when it comes to education.

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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2009, 04:29:36 PM »
Some how, I agree with the judge. Why should the father indoctrinate his kids in a religion. They shouldn't force any religion!

Imagine if this was a muslim, Would you be so supporting then?

No of cause not. Muslims have no natural human rights. Perhaps animal rights. I would never stand up for them.

But the German gouvernment has no right to indoctrinate children with it's bolschewik propaganda.

First comes the family, then the assembly and the gouvernment gets the tax money. This is how the world works. If I will have children one day, I am responsible for the education. The collective has no rights to interfere. I grant this right only to the members of my assembly or with other words to my brethren in faith. But not to strangers, like fleshy bolschewik wicked gouvernment employees.
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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 11:00:55 PM »
It was the nazis who banned home-schooling in Germany.

Need I say more?


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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 06:04:55 AM »
It was the nazis who banned home-schooling in Germany.

Need I say more?


This is correct National Socialist as well as Communists
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Re: German Family Seeks U.S. Asylum to Homeschool Their Children
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 08:54:28 AM »
It was the nazis who banned home-schooling in Germany.

Need I say more?


This is correct National Socialist as well as Communists
Which is EXACTLY what the Left wants to do in America. Anyone see a connection?

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 01:15:43 PM »
Islam also says that, Should we allow muslims to do the same thing NO!!!!
Schools are ment to educate people with a un biaist agenda.

Meaning to do something and actually doing it are two different things. What so-called secular schools actually do is teach a left-wing, anti-G-d, pro-Islam, pro-socialist agenda.

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I think in a secular country Religion schools should be outlawed. In a non secular one it shouldn't. German scientolgists fled germany, to start a Scientology school in Non-Secular Denmark.

I believe in freedom of choice when it comes to education.

Sadly they do teach pro-left wing ways. But never the less, Education should be left to the state! I'm not getting in argument over g-d in a Jewish forum! Think of the chirldren, What if this father onlt taught via the Bible, How are the kids going to be docters. Clapping there hands togather and singen, Phew!!! I'm putting the children before the parents belief's. As long as these children have a fair chance in life, I don't care if they're evangelical or not. But this father should put his kids before himself.

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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2009, 01:25:36 PM »
Sonic Snail, the world is not our final destination.

Christians like me have no citizenship on this earth, like Paul said. It is not important for us to be a lawyer or doctor.

I don't care about the children of the bolschewists, why they care about our children?

I think everybody has the right for his own way to pursuit of salvation as long as he will not touch the freedom of others.

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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »
Sonic Snail, the world is not our final destination.

Christians like me have no citizenship on this earth, like Paul said. It is not important for us to be a lawyer or doctor.

I don't care about the children of the bolschewists, why they care about our children?

I think everybody has the right for his own way to pursuit of salvation as long as he will not touch the freedom of others.



I am a Atheist, So I can't agree sorry :-(. But I can agree on the fact Christians are increasingly being undermined in Europe, We have all this [censored] in parliament it's unclear to see what the people really want, But to be honest this is the fathers choice, and not the children's one. They have no say in there education, That's left the bible wearing MAN of the house! We can never agree on this, since we don't share conmen belief's in G-d.

But this man did somthing about his problem, and now he's educating his children the way he wants!