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muman613:
My favorite wisdom from Talmud Esther is that the Cure always preceeds the sickness... In my own health issues this has turned out to be true...
Harzel:
--- Quote from: MuslimSlayer90 on July 27, 2009, 12:55:53 PM ---Didn't King David have women from other nations though?
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I think you mean David's great grandfather, Yishay (Jesse), who married Ruth the moabite. But obviously, the process of conversion as we know it today is not as ancient as the Bible. I don't think that in the times of the Jewish kingdom, and certainly not in the preceding age of the judges, there was a formal process of conversion.
In later times, so called "tekufat hazugot" in the 1st century BCE, the conversion was formalized but it seems was still much easier process. This is evident for example by the story of the gentile who declared he will convert if and only if the entire Torah will be explained to him while he stands on just one foot. Shamai rejected him, but Hillel saw his sincerity and he told him:
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
freedomannie:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on July 27, 2009, 02:54:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: MuslimSlayer90 on July 27, 2009, 12:55:53 PM ---Didn't King David have women from other nations though?
--- End quote ---
I think you mean David's great grandfather, Yishay (Jesse), who married Ruth the moabite. But obviously, the process of conversion as we know it today is not as ancient as the Bible. I don't think that in the times of the Jewish kingdom, and certainly not in the preceding age of the judges, there was a formal process of conversion.
In later times, so called "tekufat hazugot" in the 1st century B.C.E., the conversion was formalized but it seems was still much easier process. This is evident for example by the story of the gentile who declared he will convert if and only if the entire Torah will be explained to him while he stands on just one foot. Shamai rejected him, but Hillel saw his sincerity and he told him:
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
--- End quote ---
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
OK so if i believe this in my heart what does this mean...if i study then i can be Jewish...How exactly can a person become Jewish...Please tell me i really wish to know! :love: :-* :love: :-* :love: :-* :love: :-* :read:
Moijea:
Could it be something as simple as recorded in 1 Samuel 16:7 . . . . Man looks at the outside, but G-d looks on the heart?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: freedomannie on July 27, 2009, 07:46:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Zelhar on July 27, 2009, 02:54:55 PM ---
--- Quote from: MuslimSlayer90 on July 27, 2009, 12:55:53 PM ---Didn't King David have women from other nations though?
--- End quote ---
I think you mean David's great grandfather, Yishay (Jesse), who married Ruth the moabite. But obviously, the process of conversion as we know it today is not as ancient as the Bible. I don't think that in the times of the Jewish kingdom, and certainly not in the preceding age of the judges, there was a formal process of conversion.
In later times, so called "tekufat hazugot" in the 1st century B.C.E., the conversion was formalized but it seems was still much easier process. This is evident for example by the story of the gentile who declared he will convert if and only if the entire Torah will be explained to him while he stands on just one foot. Shamai rejected him, but Hillel saw his sincerity and he told him:
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
--- End quote ---
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
OK so if i believe this in my heart what does this mean...if i study then i can be Jewish...How exactly can a person become Jewish...Please tell me i really wish to know!
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To become Jewish you'd have to convert. It is a process to go through, so see a local orthodox rabbi about it. But either way, even if you don't choose to go through with a conversion, it is a very good thing to believe 'that which is hateful do not do to your fellow; the rest is explanation' to be a righteous person of any persuasion it is important to treat people right and fairly. So it is good advice for non Jews and Jews alike.
A conversion would be a commitment to keep all the mitzvot. Not everyone feels themself able to commit to a thing like that. Good luck.
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