Jordan....

[Benjamin_D]

How much of Jordan in todays standards of land, is actually Israel.

And why don't we get it back.

[SW]

How much of Jordan in todays standards of land, is actually Israel.

And why don't we get it back.

We will get it back!! One day it will be Eretz Yisrael!

[Zelhar]

How much of Jordan in todays standards of land, is actually Israel.

And why don't we get it back.

There is no single answer to that. If you go by the fact that jordan was part of the territory handed over to Britain on behalf of creating a 'Jewish national homeland' then all of Jordan. Also according to the biblical borders of the promised land one may include most of Jordan as part of the promised land, with the possible exception  of Amon and Moab (nations that had long been extincted). If you go by Historic borders of the Jewish kingdoms, then the north western part of Jordan (an continuing into nowadays Syria) was Jewish lands until the Roman times.

[Christian Zionist]

2 and a half tribes of Israel lived east of the river Jordon - Reuben, Gad and half tribe of Manasseh.

Ramoth, Jaezer, Aroer, Dibon, Mahanaim in the south to Mount Hermon in the north and the whole of Bashan were all ancient Biblical locations currently occupied by Jordanian Arabs.

[ProudAndZionist]

We must take back our lands. Jordan has good contacts with Iran, they are still a determining power with 57 F-16 fighters and with American guns. But why did USA sell them guns? For example the C-130?

[Zelhar]

We must take back our lands. Jordan has good contacts with Iran, they are still a determining power with 57 F-16 fighters and with American guns. But why did USA sell them guns? For example the C-130?

That's because Jordan is very good at playing America's needy friend. They are always in need for weapons and other sort of support to keep things in order.

[TruthSpreader]

How much of Jordan in todays standards of land, is actually Israel.

And why don't we get it back.

All of Jordan belongs to Israel. It is a phony country created by the British.

[Yonah]

We must take back our lands. Jordan has good contacts with Iran, they are still a determining power with 57 F-16 fighters and with American guns. But why did USA sell them guns? For example the C-130?

Because Syria and Egypt had fallen to the Russian sphere of influence during the Cold War, and the United States was just as determine to prevent the overthrow of the Jordanian monarchy by Nasserite socialists as the King of Jordan.

[Hyades]

Considering the Biblical border, only a small piece of Jordan's south would be outside "Eretz Yisrael", a piece of desert which is worth nothing!

Here is an attempt of how the Middle East would and should look like. You can see more or less what would be the real frontiers of Israel:


http://file1.npage.de/002215/14/bilder/2_kopie.jpg

This is hosted on my homepage.

[Zelhar]

אתה מדבר עברית Haydes ?
Just one correction- "Ottomania" spells עותמניה

[Hyades]

אתה מדבר עברית Haydes ?
Just one correction- "Ottomania" spells עותמניה

כן, אני מדבר עברית. נכון כותבים עותומניה, ראיתי את זה מאוחר מדי!   

[Spectator]

אתה מדבר עברית Haydes ?
Just one correction- "Ottomania" spells עותמניה

כן, אני מדבר עברית. נכון כותבים עותומניה, ראיתי את זה מאוחר מדי!   

Ihr Hebraisch ist sehr gut!
 

[ProudAndZionist]

Jordan also attacked Israel...many many times. (for example in the 6 days war)

[Hyades]

אתה מדבר עברית Haydes ?
Just one correction- "Ottomania" spells עותמניה

כן, אני מדבר עברית. נכון כותבים עותומניה, ראיתי את זה מאוחר מדי!   

Ihr Hebraisch ist sehr gut!
 

Danke, Ihr Deutsch auch! 

The corrected version:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4454/2kopiem.jpg

[Axel]

Why don't we get it back? look at how much trouble there is over the parasits in Gaza and West Bank. Invading Jordan would put a stake in the world view of Israel.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Who cares about what the world thinks? Zelhar what about the Western border of Eretz Israel?

[Zelhar]

Who cares about what the world thinks? Zelhar what about the Western border of Eretz Israel?

You mean Cyprus ? sure we'll take it too  Seriously it's obviously that the sea is the western border. But I suppose you mean the the southern west border. According to the Torah it is the river of Egypt which is the Nile. But in another chapter it is "the stream of Egypt"  which may be according to common sense and also Jewish sages, either wadi el-arish in the Sinai, or the west most extension of the Nile delta (which has dried up and doesn't flow any longer).

There are actually different descriptions in the Torah, for the borders of the promised land, and they depend upon the actions of the Israelites. There are warning attached, that if they betray the covenant they would lose their land and be scattered across the nations etc. The core of the promised land is in any case, Canaan, which is the land west of the Jordan river and the dead sea.

I've actually written a review about this subject but in Hebrew.

[Madmarv]

Sorry but I couldn't help passing by this topic without replying.

So you think you must take over jordan? because 2 thousand years, some of its parts were belonging to israel?
Throughout history there have been...... ENDLESS of invasions... those took over these lands... conquering this.. conquering that.. if the whole world followed this principle, there would be no world at all by this time.
Sorry to tell you this but, life have began with just 1 simple DNA cell, and it expanded throughout time and grown to be "people". There was no countries, no boundaries, nothing, and with time, people moved and lived in different places, and the countries that we have today, was NEVER the same, there was other countries under it, other nations, history is so full of war, invasions, but all this is what makes our world what it is today, if we have to go back history 2 thousand years ago or who knows even A LOT more, then every country in this world will have its own big badass war.
Live with it. You got back of israel enough, if enough is not too enough.. its not like, jews are trying to come to israel but there is no place here for them, you are even begging jews all over the world to return.  Why not kick all the arabs from israel because israel must be all jew? Don't get me wrong, I'm all with the security of our homes, our children, our people, ourselvs, people (not only arabs) that is doing more harm than good to this country should be treated carefully, but some arabs - specially christian arabs, but there are muslim (secular) arabs as well... - don't take action in any of this political nonsense and they have peaceful lives, family, job, and even some of them have participated in army. Now do you suggest kicking those arabs out of the country too? because 2 thousands years jews were here?

[GoIsraelGo!]

The Jews have been in Israel for 6 thousand years.

[ProudAndZionist]

The Jews have been in Israel for 6 thousand years.

I agree. + G-d chose the Jewish people so Israel is the land of Jews.

[Hyades]

From where do all the people - no matter from which nationality - take the misinformations that there were no Jews in Eretz Yisrael for 2000 years? Jerusalem has always had a strong Jewish community and throughout the land there were Jewish settlements and institutions! This is even taught in simple history lessons - at least here in Germany. So I wonder why people are so ignorant to think that there was no Jewish community for 2000 years! I think the Arab propaganda machine is louder than the history books! 

[TruthSpreader]

Sorry but I couldn't help passing by this topic without replying.

So you think you must take over jordan? because 2 thousand years, some of its parts were belonging to israel?
Throughout history there have been...... ENDLESS of invasions... those took over these lands... conquering this.. conquering that.. if the whole world followed this principle, there would be no world at all by this time.
Sorry to tell you this but, life have began with just 1 simple DNA cell, and it expanded throughout time and grown to be "people". There was no countries, no boundaries, nothing, and with time, people moved and lived in different places, and the countries that we have today, was NEVER the same, there was other countries under it, other nations, history is so full of war, invasions, but all this is what makes our world what it is today, if we have to go back history 2 thousand years ago or who knows even A LOT more, then every country in this world will have its own big badass war.

Jordan is not a real country. It is a phony artifical country created by the British. Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and parts of Iraq, Egypt and Saudi Arabia all belong to Israel.


Live with it. You got back of israel enough, if enough is not too enough.. its not like, jews are trying to come to israel but there is no place here for them, you are even begging jews all over the world to return.  Why not kick all the arabs from israel because israel must be all jew? Don't get me wrong, I'm all with the security of our homes, our children, our people, ourselvs, people (not only arabs) that is doing more harm than good to this country should be treated carefully, but some arabs - specially christian arabs, but there are muslim (secular) arabs as well... - don't take action in any of this political nonsense and they have peaceful lives, family, job, and even some of them have participated in army. Now do you suggest kicking those arabs out of the country too? because 2 thousands years jews were here?