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Chughtai:
We are a newly formed religion and a newly from state (Pakistan). We havent been able to set aside our own differences forming the basis of sects and you think we would be able to do something for you yet, its frankly not possible yet. Alot needs to be done before that could actually happen. Three major formations of islamic philosophy as today are Sulfis, Shiya and Sunnis. Sulfis are hard liners you may call alquaeda as there sub groups coz it follows almost the same thought. Shiyya as you may know are still confused of their position and who killed the decedents of the profit and his progeny. Leving behind sunnis who were never a part of islamis society or khilafat. They were ruled by Mugal kings of india. With the end to the kingdom these people were lost and some salfis and shiya influenced groups of these people here with their ideology rest remained an intermediary sect. These people for 70 % population of muslim population of subcontinent (india & pakistan). I am one of them.
We have realized what state or govt has been doing. Our hatred is also a policy of our state be it against india and jews. But many others like me have started to think of things differently after making our mind to understand islam itself other than listening to our Imam, so called scholars , Teachers or elders who so ever push us against our nature. You guys think we enjoy having such a huge army that we spent 78 % of our country's earning for their development. Its against our wills and only this hatred can justify its existence and nothing else.
Musharraf was one of the son of this nation, highly trained army personnel and one of us who couldnt bear anymore what politicians were doing he took control, got the public mandate in year 2001 elections and showed his attentions of recognizing Israel. Internal and foriegn pressure didnt allow him to. We were threatened of our own existence if we proceeded. For me that was the decision of the public of Pakistan. Those who are aware and know what is actually happening. People here are always provoked by Israels policy of whatever they want to do with Aqsa Mosque. Its of high religious importance to us. Then people were told all sorts of stories of Jews trying to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque and almost everyone here was once again infuriated with jewish.
This is briefly my side of the story. We are told that rich jews of America wants to disintegrate you to smaller states take away the only defense and considered to be the source of our existence the nuclear bomb, who wont be threatened ?
Chughtai:
Another thing that I want to add and I have seen couple of times is about Hindus. Some of you think that we provoke them and they are democratic nation. Let me state two facts here which might clear afew confusions.
1. We eat beef, I think you guys too. Hindu people worship cows. Its not of their particular to see us make steaks and Bar B Q out of their God. Its naturally provoking and a major reason for partition of the sub continent. Before that under British(300 years) and Muslim(870 years) rule everything was ok but suddenly they remembered its their God we are eating and all the commotion started.
2. The democracy of 1 Billion souls of the planet harboring people of about 26 different believes a few days earlier refused Pakistani cricket players participation in IPL ( Indian Premier League) after they had been invited there for the nominations of teams. They cant keep discrimination out of sports makes one wonder about the conditions of all the minorities living in India.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Chughtai on February 09, 2010, 04:39:33 AM ---We are a newly formed religion and a newly from state (Pakistan). We havent been able to set aside our own differences forming the basis of sects and you think we would be able to do something for you yet, its frankly not possible yet. Alot needs to be done before that could actually happen. Three major formations of islamic philosophy as today are Sulfis, Shiya and Sunnis. Sulfis are hard liners you may call alquaeda as there sub groups coz it follows almost the same thought. Shiyya as you may know are still confused of their position and who killed the decedents of the profit and his progeny. Leving behind sunnis who were never a part of islamis society or khilafat. They were ruled by Mugal kings of india. With the end to the kingdom these people were lost and some salfis and shiya influenced groups of these people here with their ideology rest remained an intermediary sect. These people for 70 % population of muslim population of subcontinent (india & pakistan). I am one of them.
We have realized what state or govt has been doing. Our hatred is also a policy of our state be it against india and jews. But many others like me have started to think of things differently after making our mind to understand islam itself other than listening to our Imam, so called scholars , Teachers or elders who so ever push us against our nature. You guys think we enjoy having such a huge army that we spent 78 % of our country's earning for their development. Its against our wills and only this hatred can justify its existence and nothing else.
Musharraf was one of the son of this nation, highly trained army personnel and one of us who couldnt bear anymore what politicians were doing he took control, got the public mandate in year 2001 elections and showed his attentions of recognizing Israel. Internal and foriegn pressure didnt allow him to. We were threatened of our own existence if we proceeded. For me that was the decision of the public of Pakistan. Those who are aware and know what is actually happening. People here are always provoked by Israels policy of whatever they want to do with Aqsa Mosque. Its of high religious importance to us. Then people were told all sorts of stories of Jews trying to destroy Al Aqsa Mosque and almost everyone here was once again infuriated with jewish.
This is briefly my side of the story. We are told that rich jews of America wants to disintegrate you to smaller states take away the only defense and considered to be the source of our existence the nuclear bomb, who wont be threatened ?
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All this only says that there are some reasonable people in Pakistan who understand that lies about Jews and Hindus are only a means to distract attention from the corruption of the ruling class. But it is only their personal opinion and will remain so until Pakistan officially recognizes Israel as the state of the Jewish people. In the meantime, Pakistan is an enemy state.
Spectator:
--- Quote from: Chughtai on February 09, 2010, 05:18:30 AM ---Another thing that I want to add and I have seen couple of times is about Hindus. Some of you think that we provoke them and they are democratic nation. Let me state two facts here which might clear afew confusions.
1. We eat beef, I think you guys too. Hindu people worship cows. Its not of their particular to see us make steaks and Bar B Q out of their G-d. Its naturally provoking and a major reason for partition of the sub continent. Before that under British(300 years) and Muslim(870 years) rule everything was ok but suddenly they remembered its their G-d we are eating and all the commotion started.
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Unlike Muslims, Jews do not interfere into the internal affairs of the other peoples. Hindus may believe in what they will, it is not our (and your) business.
--- Quote from: Chughtai on February 09, 2010, 05:18:30 AM ---2. The democracy of 1 Billion souls of the planet harboring people of about 26 different believes a few days earlier refused Pakistani cricket players participation in IPL ( Indian Premier League) after they had been invited there for the nominations of teams. They cant keep discrimination out of sports makes one wonder about the conditions of all the minorities living in India.
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Even if it is true (and I suspect it is not, because you already lied about Pakistani "acceptance of Israel"), it is nothing compared to atrocious violations of human rights in Muslim countries.
Chughtai:
Well Spectator, its your opinion and I wont advocate the stance of Pakistan govt or people, consider it whatever you like. I would want you to think of things that could enlighten the masses who consider you as enemy and why. One way is the approach you have already taken and other ways are for you to discover.
My motive is to find my own standing in this world and for me any of that place which in anyway conflicts with the thoughts and rights of others of no matter whatever origin is wrong and I would be questioned by Allah SBWT for that. Being a muslim and living in the conditions that I have mentioned, I havent found any reason to consider you my enemy.
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