Real reason why JTF opposes non-Whites

[mord]

If I may chip in on this...........


Ron Paul does not sympathize with terrorist nations. He just doesn't advocate nation building, I agree with him. American lives are far too precious to be used to fight for a Muslim (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc) country. This is insane, treasonous, and absolutely disgusting. Ron Paul would have helped Israel by cutting off our blackmail to Israel (military aid). If this were done, the Israelis can finally reach some kind of deal with the Arabs and not be ordered around by lobbyists here in the U.S.



Pollard committed treason, he is no hero. He is not even remotely a Jewish nationalist, or anything of the sort. Before trying to give highly classified secrets to Israel, he tried to sell those same secrets to Pakistan! You need to be properly informed.


I agree with most of this. Unfortunately, among secular Jews there exists too much self interest. Einstein was a vehement pacifist during World War 1 when Jewish interests were not involved, during World War 2 he advocated building nuclear bombs against Germans. This kind of self interest is bad for America. But let's remember, the problem is LEFTIST JEWS. They are responsible for Marxism, Socialism, Feminism, all kinds of horrors. Unfortunately, most American Jews are leftists who push this ideology. The Jewish community needs to do more with policing their own.

Having said that, I know many Orthodox Jews and have even marched hand in hand with Orthodox Jews during pro-life marches in Washington. This is where I think inter-faith dialogue is crucial. We don't have to agree on anything religiously (because we won't) but for these kinds of issues, if we can work together it's a great thing.

JTF is deceptive. They say they are pro-White and that they try to save Western civilization but the evidence indicates they aren't. They support the release of Pollard, they opposed Ron Paul, and they insult most White nations, even ones that had no role in the Holocaust like Russia, France, Ukraine, etc. They say they want an end to foreign aid to Israel but always support candidates that support foreign aid to Israel.

Marvin i insult France for alot of reasons.About the Holocaust the French sent the Jews off to Concentration before and faster then nazis wanted them

[Ulli]

Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America. They were the driving force for the third world immigration law. They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation. This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain. JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.

There is some truth in it.

Jews were the backbone for egalitarianism and Marxism in America.

Yes - Marxism is a mix from Christian and Reformed Jewish ideas. If you read the explanations of Jewish Communists, why they joined this political worldview, they will answer you, that they are in it because they are Jews and have to do Tikkun Olam. There is definitivly a connection. But you see the same disposition with Catholics specially with those from South America.

They were the driving force for the third world immigration law.

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

They hate the White race and at the same time thought they'd be safe in a multi-cultural nation.

Yes, althrough most Jews look white. But they hate this colour and feel guilty for it, because it is in their worldview the colour of the perpetrators. The most evil part in this issue is, that they equalize in their subconscious white people from Europe who started the inquisition, the Holocaust and the progroms with white US people and lots of their actions are driven by the motivation to payback. There was never a place like the USA for Jews in the Exile. Muslims and blacks were not the bearers of this. In fact it were white protestants who suffered under the hand of Europe too and founded this great nation. They should give this people more respect and not trying to hurt them.

This is why they assisted the Muslims when they invaded Spain.

Never heard about this. The quranimals conquerred Spain in their Jihad. It was their war. Jews had nothing to do with it.

JTF now opposes non-Whites because they understand non-Whites would never tolerate them.

The problem is basically, that the gap between the possibilities of Jews and third worlders is too great.
Judaism is pure intellect and self-discipline. Any thing Jews do need a reason. They are adamantine and    sustained in their actions. Jews are trained from youngest childhood to controll their feelings and instincts, by the law of Moses. Their intellect is trained since early childhood too by studying the Torah and the Talmud. Not just reading, like other religions do. I don't talk about every Jew here, but this are things I noticed. The patterns even stay alive a few generations after leaving Judaism. Basically Jews are the elite-culture of this world. Asians and White Protestants have lots of cultural aspects too that make them successfull but the Jewish culture deserves obviously the first place.

So blacks and Muslims are exactly the opposite of Jews. They are obviously not controlling their instincts and feelings and sometimes I have the feeling if I speak to them, that they are like little children. I have often heard from them on the street the sentence. "[censored], I have to eat something." No self-controll and discipline. Of cause they are missing totally the skill of self-criticism. It is obvious. If they study their scriptures it is only repeating of sentences without understanding. (Perhaps better for us). If they work, they are not sustained and make lots of breaks. They want basically consume the whole day and think society owes them the money for it. Muslims have taxed dhimmis in their countries high as well as they robbed over centuries the Christian coasts of Europe. The parasitism is part of their culture and has it's roots in their history.

If you now put in a street in the half houses Jews and in the other part blacks and Muslims and give them the same starting conditions (It is only an extreme example), you will see very soon, that the Jewish houses will look nicer, their cars will be more expensive, the income of the Jews will be higher and even the Jews will be healthier and look better than the other group. On the other hand the houses of the other group will look shabby and they will even loose from the wealth they have started with. Now they will blame the Jews of all kinds of things to explain why they are more successfull like them. The next step is then to use the madeup stories to justify stealing and robbing from the Jews and then come the progroms.

Ask the complete black and Muslim leadership even in the USA about Jews and you will see that I am right.

[mord]

Marvin will be a big fan of this guy   Richard [censored] Silverstein



Biden Gives Israel Green Light for Iran Attack
July 5th, 2009

I cannot believe what I’ve just read in the N.Y. Times. Joe Biden, in what appears to be either one of his monumental off the cuff gaffes; or else a major change in Obama administration policy–gave Israel a green light to attack Iran.

    Plunging squarely into one of the most sensitive issues in the Middle East, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. suggested on Sunday that the United States would not stand in the way of Israeli military action aimed at the Iranian nuclear program.

    The United States, Mr. Biden said in an interview broadcast on ABC’s “This Week,” “cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do.”

    “Israel can determine for itself — it’s a sovereign nation — what’s in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else,” he said, in an interview taped in Baghdad at the end of a visit there.

If Obama doesn’t backpedal on this then we’ll have to parse the meaning assuming his remarks were orchestrated internally. If so, this would mean that Obama is talking tough to Iran for two purposes–one internal and one external. Internally, he would be trying to steal thunder from the Republicans who are criticizing his Iran policy as consisting of all carrot and no stick. The conservative leadership of the Jewish community (including Aipac and the Israel lobby) would react very favorably to such an apparent change of heart.

Externally, Obama could be sending a signal to the Iranians that his patience is not infinite and that he is willing to sick the dogs on them if they remain intransigent about their nuclear program. This sounds to me like a Dennis Ross special. It has Aipac-Israel lobby spin written all over it.

If Biden did not go off the reservation (as I hope to G-d he did), then it would mean that Obama, is at least in principle, expressing a willingness to abandon his policy, which had been yoked to diplomatic engagement and which had eschewed military solutions. Bibi has specifically begged the U.S. for a green light to attack Iran and until now Obama (and Bush before him) explicitly rejected the entreaty.

In a related development, the Times of London reports that Israel has received tacit approval from Saudi Arabia to use its airspace should it attack Iran.  Uzi Mahnaimi, who wrote the story is not known for being the most reliable journalist.  In this report he claims that the Mossad chief, who held secret talks with the Saudi, assures prime minister Netanyahu that the Saudis would not object to such an Israeli attack that flew over their airspace.  This is a lame, incredible claim on its face.  But it does show an Israeli desperation to ratchet up the pressure on Iran. And it also indicates a rather “clever” attempt on the part of the Israeli intelligence services to support their claim that it has “allies” among Arab states who would be happy to see Iran humiliated by an Israeli attack.  Of course, no one in the Arab world has lent any credence to the Israeli claim.  But that won’t stop them from trying.

Yet another news report claims that Israeli submarines sailed through the Suez Canal on their way to the Red Sea.  The purported purpose was to signal the Iranians that Israelis subs could use their Cruise missiles as part of an attack on Iran.  Lots of saber rattling going on.  This is what the Obama administration has just encouraged.  If you wanted to stir up a nuclear hornet’s nest I couldn’t think of a better way to do it.

For Obama to turn away from a peaceful resolution of its disagreements with Iran would be a major breach and deeply disappointing to those of us who have supported him in the expectation that we would see a realist-pragmatist foreign policy in place of the Bush era Rough Rider approach to conflict.

Someone will have to explain to me how Biden’s words are any different than those delivered by Dick Cheney on the Don Imus Show when he raised the possibility that Israel would attack Iran and that the U.S. would be understanding of its reasons for doing so.  Is this why we elected Joe Biden and Barack Obama to office?  So they could parrot the policies of the previous discredited inhabitants of the White House??

I’m hoping that we’re going to see a response from the White House saying Biden misspoke.  If not, this is a cold wind that bodes ill.

UPDATE: This “clarification” from the White House is entirely disingenuous and dissatisfying and indicates that Obama thinks he can have it both ways (which he ultimately can’t):

    White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said Biden’s remarks did not signaling any change of approach on Iran or Israel.

    “The vice president refused to engage hypotheticals, and he made clear that our policy has not changed.”

Obama, while he never took military option off the table, never offered Israel any opening to attack Iran.  This is a new and deeply troubling page in Obama administration policy toward Iran.  Saber rattling has not worked for the Bushites regarding Iran and it will not work for Obama.  If you want a peaceful resolution you pursue that.  If you want war, you pursue that.  Trying to sit on the fence doesn’t work especially in a political-diplomatic environment which is so charged.

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Former U.S. Congresswoman, Nobel Laureate Imprisoned by Israel
July 3rd, 2009

The Israeli government is attempting to compel the 23 abducted human rights workers who were sailing to Gaza as part of a humanitarian effort to break the Israeli blockade, to sign a deporation order that would prohibit them from visiting Israel for the next ten years. If they do not sign, Israel will continue to illegally imprison them. If they do sign, they have admitted violating Israel’s blockade and entering Israeli territorial waters without permission. That will bar them from the country for 10 years.

Just as an aside, when Norman Finkelstein was similarly and scandalously imprisoned by Israel when he attempted to visit a friend on the West Bank, he was willing to sign this deportation order, which I feel was a mistake on his part. But it’s hard to argue with the fact that spending an undetermined amount of time in an Israeli prison is one of the more unpleasant things that can happen to you and I can understand why one would seek to depart as quickily as possible. And he clearly isn’t planning or needing to spend any “quality time” in Israel anytime soon anyway. Feelings aren’t terribly warm and fuzzy between Finkelstein and the State of Israel (or its leaders anyway).

The Free Gaza Movement activists have not taken the bait and remain in prison. The U.S. government has not made the case a high profile one feeling it has bigger fish to fry regarding the settlement freeze issue. But the Obama folks are going to eventually face facts that having an ostensible U.S. ally holding four of our citizens for the crime of sailing a former ferry filled with medicine and other humanitarian aid to Gaza via international waters, is intolerable.

Someone will also have to explain to me how Gaza’s territorial waters have become Israel’s if the latter has truly withdrawn from Gaza as it likes to claim. The answer is the same as the one the White Rabbit gave: “a word means what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.” So Israel conveniently abuses international maritime law and appropriates Gaza’s territorial waters when it suits; and when it doesn’t it claims it washed its hands of Gaza long ago and has no interest in it.

Also, can someone explain to me why Fox News has been providing the most extensive coverage of this incident in all the U.S. media. Not a word in the N.Y. Times, whose correspondent, Ethan Bronner apparently can’t be bothered to cover such an ‘insignificant’ story.

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A Perfect Seattle Summer Day, ‘Three Girls and Their Buddy’ Zootunes Concert
July 2nd, 2009

Wow.  I’m actually taking a day off from writing about the Israeli-Arab conflict.  And I’m going to write about something pleasant, peaceful and idyllic for a change.

Don’t tell anyone (in case they decide they should move here), but Seattle summers are simply glorious.  And I’m going to tell you about one summer day (today).

My son, Jonah has spent the last two weeks in a musical theater camp taught by his public school music teacher.  The musical’s theme was “outer space.”  The kids did everything: made costumes, sets, learned lines, songs, and even baked dessert for the after performance dinner.  Besides all this, they did day trips to the Museum of Flight and the University of Washington planetarium to learn more about space. They even picked 40 pounds of fresh raspberries at Remlinger Farms and made ice cream and pie out of it for the dinner.

Jonah loves tending and picking the greens in our home garden. So he informed me that we had to make a salad for the dinner. He was very worried about my doing the job and even wanted to start picking the greens the day before the event himself. I promised him I would do it earlier today so the greens would stay fresh. So I went out back and picked lettuce, spinach, sorrel, basil and Johnny Jump Ups, and the first purple bean of the season, along with snap peas from the Farmer’s Market, and we had ourselves a wonderful fresh summer salad.

The songs chosen for the musical were mostly wacky funny old rock and pop songs from the 60s and 70s.  In their original form, these songs were at best insipid.  But somehow when a group of children start singing about a “one-eyed, one-horned flying purple people eater” it is transformed into something charming.  The production was amazingly resourceful.  As I wrote, the kids made everything themselves.  You shoulda seen the flying purple people eater!  And they did it in the same spirit that Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney used to say: “Gee, let’s put on a show,” in those old MGM movies.

The entire thing was utterly charming from start to finish.  Jonah was also jazzed that his mom invited a whole group of neighbors to walk down the street to the local church which hosted the performance.  He had a very friendly audience!  But the kids would’ve won over the most somber audience.

Even after we left the church grounds on our way to hear Emmylou Harris’s Three Girls and Their Buddy concert, my wife kept marveling at how wonderful the performance was.

At any rate, we made our way to the Woodland Park Zoo, where one of my favorite female performers in the world, Emmylou Harris was joining with Patty Griffin, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller for an outdoor performance in the Zoo’s north meadow.  The space is a wonderful bowl surrounded by mature maple and pine trees.  The summer evening was gorgeous with brilliant sunny weather.

At the Zootunes concert last week, when we came to see Mavis Staples and Allen Toussaint, we witnessed a bald eagle trailed by 10 crows who harried it incessantly.  A wonderful sight and only here in our beautiful Northwest.

The concert was wonderful.  I especially love the Shawn Colvin song which she sang tonight, I Don’t Know Why I Love These Things But I Do. It is simply one of the most profound, moving love songs I’ve ever heard and one of the best songs she’s ever written. As an aside, Allison Krause and Union Station turned it into a pretty credible up tempo bluegrass tune in their cover version.

But the piece de la resistance was Patty Griffin’s closing encore, Mary. The YouTube video here only begins to do justice to the gorgeous interweaving of heavenly harmonies in the final minute of the song when the three women’s voices simply soar. But listen to the video to get an approximation of how it sounded tonight.

Because Zoo Tunes concerts begin at 6 PM, tonight’s show ended at 8 and we didn’t want to go home before the kids were asleep (what’s the point of going out if you come home and have to put your kids to bed?). So I suggested that we have dessert at the Volunteer Park Cafe, which turned out to be lovely idea. We had a blueberry rhubarb crisp topped with whipped cream. It came out of the oven steaming hot. The sauce was thick and syrupy and had an intensely strong blueberry flavor. Again, another perfect Northwest summer dessert.

Even though we’ve lived here now for ten years, I still had to tell my wife how lucky we are to live here.

And please, remember, you didn’t hear this from me. We’d prefer to keep Seattle a secret just amongst ourselves. Just keep in mind all that foul, dark rainy winter weather we’re supposed to have (we actually average 10 inches LESS of rain yearly than New York City!). That ought to keep most of you away!

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N.Y. City Council Votes to Add Muslim Holidays to School Calendar
July 1st, 2009

Quick, someone get Daniel Pipes, the Islamists are restless.  It appears they’re about to take over the NYC school system and perhaps even the City Council.  How else to explain that the Council voted with only one nay to add the two most important Muslim holidays to the school calendar.

The only city official standing in the way of the adoption of the measure is the mayor, who remains to be convinced that a religious group comprising 12% of the school population deserves to have its own holiday recognized by the city.  If Mayor Bloomberg is smart he’ll get those trusty Islamist-busters, Pipes and Stop the Madrasa on the case.  In short order, they make a total mess out of the situation and have Jews and Muslims at each others throats.  Which is just as it should be, right?

What puzzles me is that Bloomberg, who is up for re-election, doesn’t seem to be able to do the math: there are 600,000 Muslim voters in N.Y.  To diss them doesn’t seem like an optimal election strategy.  Furthermore, this comment isn’t going to help things:

    The mayor told reporters before the vote that not all religions could be accommodated on the holiday schedule, only those with “a very large number of kids who practice.”

    “If you close the schools for every single holiday, there won’t be any school,” he said.

Of course, Bloomberg is also thinking about the flack he’ll catch from the Muslim-haters among the 2-million Jewish voters.  So I guess Mike’s solution is to ignore the Muslims and hope they’ll just go away.  That oughta work.

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IDF Kidnaps U.S. Citizens, Nobel Laureate in Gaza Waters
June 30th, 2009

Let anyone who claims there is no difference between a Likud or Kadima government take note of Israel’s act of piracy on the high seas today when it surrounded an unarmed former ferry carrying 23 human rights activists (including a former U.S. Congresswoman, a Nobel laureate and 21 others) and humanitarian aid to Gaza.  In similar past circumstances, the Olmert government allowed several such ships to dock in Gaza with their humanitarian cargo.  The ship seized earlier today was attempting to break Israel’s siege against Gaza, which itself is a violation of international law.

All American citizens, whether you agree with the politics involved or not should be outraged by this violation of the norms of international and maritime conduct.  American officials should be demanding that its four citizens be released immediately.  Israel had no right to intercept this ship, nor to impound it or detain its passengers.  It has no right to forcibly transfer them to Israeli territory.

The Free Gaza Movement released this statement by former Rep. McKinney:

    “This is an outrageous violation of international law against us. Our boat was not in Israeli waters, and we were on a human rights mission to the Gaza Strip,” said Cynthia McKinney, a former U.S. Congresswoman and presidential candidate. “President Obama just told Israel to let in humanitarian and reconstruction supplies, and that’s exactly what we tried to do. We’re asking the international community to demand our release so we can resume our journey.”

And Nobel Laureate Mairead Maguire made the following protest:

    “The aid we were carrying is a symbol of hope for the people of Gaza, hope that the sea route would open for them, and they would be able to transport their own materials to begin to reconstruct the schools, hospitals and thousands of homes destroyed during the onslaught of “Cast Lead”. Our mission is a gesture to the people of Gaza that we stand by them and that they are not alone” said fellow passenger Mairead Maguire, winner of a Noble Peace Prize for her work in Northern Ireland.

I should add that the Israeli navy will impound the ship in order to inhibit the future work on the FGM.  Pressure must be exerted to get Israel to release the ship undamaged (it is highly likely that Israel will render the ship inoperable or permanently crippled if it ever does return it).

FGM suggests that those who wish to help may contact the following:

CONTACT the Israeli Ministry of Justice
tel: +972 2646 6666 or +972 2646 6340
fax: +972 2646 6357

CONTACT the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
tel: +972 2530 3111
fax: +972 2530 3367

CONTACT Mark Regev in the Prime Minister’s office at:
tel: +972 5 0620 3264 or +972 2670 5354
[email protected]

CONTACT the International Committee of the Red Cross to ask for their assistance in establishing the wellbeing of the kidnapped human rights workers and in securing their immediate release!

Red Cross Israel
tel: +972 3524 5286
fax: +972 3527 0370
[email protected]

Red Cross Switzerland:
tel: +41 22 730 3443
fax: +41 22 734 8280

Red Cross USA:
tel: +1 212 599 6021
fax: +1 212 599 6009

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Barak Meets Mitchell, Result–’Bupkis’ (Nothing)
June 30th, 2009
Smiles belie disagreements between Israel and U.S. (AP)

Smiles belie disagreements between Israel and U.S. (AP)

Last week, Bibi Netanyahu was scheduled to meet with George Mitchell in Paris. Shimon Shiffer of Yediot Achronot reported that Mitchell cancelled and told the Israelis to come back when they had something real to put on the table. The result was Ehud Barak’s half-baked settlement freeze “compromise,” which had the legs cut out from under it by half the members of the senior ministerial committee that considered it, before Barak even presented it to the Americans.  Such is the fragmented, dysfunctional nature of the current Israeli government.

Anyway, Israel’s Mr. Smith went to Washington and met with Mitchell today and the result was…bupkis–nothing.  But what’s really interesting is to see how two Israeli reporters report the same event.  Let’s start with the more credible version from Maariv’s Meirav David (in Hebrew):

    According to Barak, the meeting was positive.  But by its conclusion there was no resolution of the disagreement between Israel and the U.S.  Barak tried to persuade Mitchell to open a more comprehensive regional peace process [rather than dealing with settlements].

    Those in Barak’s party agreed that in the longer-term it will be necessary for Israel to agree to a formulation which will stop settlement construction.  But in the course of the meeting neither Mitchell nor Barak succeeded in finding a satisfactory formulation.

Now note how Haaretz’s Barak Ravid reports the same meeting:

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak and U.S. special Mideast envoy George Mitchell agreed during their talks in New York this week that Israel must take action toward easing access for Palestinians in the West Bank and halting settlement activity.

    Their four-hour discussion brought Israel and the United States closer to ending its dispute over settlement construction, a source close to Barak said.

    Mitchell did not explicitly tell Barak that Israel must impose a complete freeze on settlements – as the U.S. has been demanding – but rather emphasized that Jerusalem must take “action” on the matter, according to a Defense Ministry statement following the talks.

    Asked whether Israel would declare a temporary settlement building freeze, Barak told reporters following the meeting: “I think that it’s a little bit too early to predict.

    …While significant progress was made in the talks, said the source close to Barak, differences remain over a number of subjects.

    “There is still disagreement, but the direction is positive and there is a good dialogue,” a source close to the defense minister said.

First, Ravid has told you that Barak’s “freeze-lite” proposal either wasn’t even floated at the meeting or wasn’t taken seriously when it was.  Second, Ravid has spun the meeting with some positive flim-flam that has absolutely no basis in fact.  You read his article and find me one concrete factual development that accords with the positive spin he’s given to the story.  Then, keep in mind that the Maariv reporter more accurately noted there essentially was no agreement on anything of substance.  The only thing they agreed on was that Mitchell would be back in the Middle East in two weeks.  Big deal.

Third, the notion that Mitchell didn’t tell Barak that Israel had to impose a total settlement freeze is preposterous on its face.  After all, this IS declared U.S. government policy.  To believe that Mitchell would not have reiterated the stated policy of his own government is to say that Mitchell is an incompetent envoy.  And believe me, Mitchell is NOT incompetent.

So as far as Ravid’s report is concerned, it’s simply not credible.  Among close observers of the Israeli media Ravid is a reporter known for having extremely cozy relationships with his establishment govenrment sources.  In such an environment, reporters and sources scratch each others’ backs and the former tailor reporting to make their sources look as good as possible.  It appears that Meirav David doesn’t feel the need to do this, bless him.

H/t Sol Salbe.  Comment is Free today published my take on the meeting, Settlement Freeze Fraud, which was written yesterday before it had taken place.  As usual the comment thread with a few exceptions has been monopolized by pro-Israel rightists and a bit of reason and light from those with a different perspective would be helpful.

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Sabeel Founder, Naim Ateek, in Seattle-Everett
June 30th, 2009
Canon Naim Ateek

Canon Naim Ateek

July 18-20, 2009

Canon Naim Ateek is an Episcopalian priest, and often referred to as “The Desmond Tutu of Palestine”.  He was born in the Palestinian village of Beisan, south of the Sea of Galilee, and grew up in Nazareth. Ateek established the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center in Jerusalem in 1991. Before that, he served as Canon of St. George’s Cathedral in Jerusalem and as a parish priest in Haifa and Nazareth.  www.sabeel.org

He is scheduled to speak on:

SATURDAY, JULY 18th

Kadima House, 10:00 to noon - 12353 8th Ave. NE, Seattle 98125

This service will be the first time that Ateek has been a guest at an American Jewish congregation

Ascension Episcopal Church, 6:30 PM – 2330 Viewmont Way West,  Seattle
Reservations: $50 at Brown Paper Tickets (800) 838-3006
www.brownpapertickets.com


SUNDAY, JULY 19th

Saint Marks Cathedral – 1245 Tenth Ave. East, Canon Naim Ateek will preach at the regular 9 and 11 am services.

MONDAY, JULY 20th

First Presbyterian Church, – 2936 Rockefeller Avenue, Everett, lunch with Canon Naim Ateek featured speaker.  12 noon to 2:00 PM   Reservations by calling 425-259-7139.  Leave name and number attending.

Ateek’s newest book is A Palestinian Christian Cry for Reconciliation, which will be available on his July tour in Western Washington.


http://www.richardsilverstein.com/                  copy and paste he blocked this site

[AsheDina]

JTF is opposed to third world immigration because they've realized that non-Whites won't tolerate them and now they act like they're pro-White. It was your ancestors that opened the gates to Europe for the Ottomans and the Moors and were rewarded with high administrative positions. In fact you had good relations with them until Zionism and would still be assisting them today if it weren't for that.

Marvin...you are blind. Go check out ALL of our JTF videos.  Of COURSE we are "Pro-Jewish"
THE JEWISH TASK FORCE- we are also pro-Christian and pro-Gentile.
You have some real anger issues, and my guess is that you are just mad at the Bolshevik left. Well, NO Jewish forum OR movement stands against the Govt. in Israel and the Govt in USA more than WE DO.  We do NOT believe in foreign aid to Israel.

  Anyway... I have SO HAD IT with people like you that just come to act like A $$es

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

I'm non-White, and at no times did i feel JTF is against Non-whites.  Third world immigration is a different thing all together. As an Indian and  a Hindu Nationalist, I feel are were made into a third world nation my pro-muslim socialist politicians of India, the once who proclaim to be founding fathers of India, made our country into a third world country, always sucking upto the muslim minority.

And Jews are neither pro-white nor against any races. Jews have contributed immensely to world progress, have rich and great culture. So pls shut up your gutter and bark somewhere else.

[Manch]

The fact that he's in jail where he belongs is proof. I thought you were pro-White? Why would you disagree with what the "nazi" U.S. government's decision to convict him? You lie and say Iraq was a threat to America when they were allies with America at the time. Then you say he did no damage to America when the entire spying network was interruped and numerous American spies have been executed.

From one unsubstantiated position hopping to another, spewing evil statements... Marvin or khufu or whatever you stupid name is - you are just a troll. Get lost!

[mord]

numerous American spies have been executed.

THAT WAS DUE TO ALDRIDGE AMES WHO DID THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT ON POLLARDS CASE.AMES CAUSED THE DEATH OF THE .U.S. AGENTS POLLARD WAS A GOOD SCAPE GOAT LOOK IT UP ON THE WEB.AFTER AMMES WAS CAUGHT IT WAS FOUND OUT AND HE ADMITTED TO IT

[marvin]

Our position has always been that America should be a majority white country.

Again, your position is based on the fact that non-Whites won't tolerate Jews. The leftist Jews support massive non-White immigration because they think they can hide in a multi-cultural nation but as JTF has realized they're in for a big surprise.

This is a complete straw-man. Also, I'd like to see credible sources to back up your unsubstantiated claims.

He's was convicted and that's the proof.

That's Ron Paul posing with Don Black and his son Derek Black.

You labeled him a Nazi long before this was revealed simply because he said the Neo-cons have close ties with the likud party, which is true. Paul accepted their money. So what? Accepting money doesn't mean you agree with the person giving it.

What terminology should I use for someone who scapegoats an entire group of people for the vast majority of the problems of America?

I did no such thing. JTF is lying when they say they're pro-White.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

They hate the White race 

Sounds like a certain neo-nazi is a little insecure...

Let's be clear marvin, Jews don't hate the white race.   But we DO hate neonazis like you.

Now take your moonbat conspiracy theory fantasies elsewhere.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.

I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.


                                                      Shalom & G-d Bless!

                                                                Dox

[marvin]

Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.

I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.


                                                      Shalom & G-d Bless!

                                                                Dox

Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.

[mord]

Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.

I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.


                                                      Shalom & G-d Bless!

                                                                Dox

Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.

MARV THE NIGRAS ,LATINOS AND MUSLUMS  AND FOR GOOD MEASURE GYPSIES ARE COMING AFTER YOU

[Lisa]

I think it's time for Marvin to beat it. 

[Manch]

Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.

What a jerk - a typical lier, mixing half-truths and lies! Jews were one of the greatest asset to America and made it a superpower. Guess what, the prediction of the whole world becoming evil and turning against Israel  is not something that you've deduced in your "brilliance" - it was predicted thousand of years ago in Torah and thereby lies a blessing for Israel. And we also know how it is going to end - your satanic ilk is bound to loose!

[GoIsraelGo!]

I think it's time for Marvin to beat it. 

Hugs for Lisa  ~~~> (((((((( Lisa ))))))))))

Thanks and Shalom - Dox    :  )

[Lisa]

I just banned that nazi pig Marvin.  

[briann]

TROLL

[mord]

marvin when and if you return please post here first thank you  




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[GoIsraelGo!]

Lisa, we do appreciate this.


 

La la ...la la la la la.....la la la la la.....de de de de de DA!

[Lisa]

If Marvin comes back, I'll just ban him again.

[~Hanna~]

MARVIN, DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT......

Hello Kahane, Marvin is mentally ill and has no control over his obsession for our Forum and it's members.
If we all ignore this muslim nazi troll, he will have no one to argue with and he won't be getting the negative
attention he craves.

I hope everyone will stop speaking to him.


                                                      Shalom & G-d Bless!

                                                                Dox

Obsession! Please, don't flatter yourself. I've never been to your garbage forum and I'm done with you. You are all liars and are descendants of the same people that supported the Ottomans and Moors into Europe specifically because you thought living under Muslims would be better for you. Now you're "pro-White" because non-Whites would not tolerate Jews and your fellow leftist Jews are to dumb to realize this yet. No country in history was better for Jews than America yet they supported every policy that was harmful to White Americans. Once the Blacks and Hispanics begin hunting Jews you'll flee to Israel but that won't help you because by then these hostile non-Whites will control White nations and they'll support Iran and your enemies. If Whites can turn the tide and save themselves they will deport you and also support your enemies just like you've supported ours. Either way it will be bad for you and it will be poetic justice.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

[Ulli]

Yes, most Jews support third world immigration. It has cultural and religious roots. Althrough it is crazy.

I don't think this is the case as much as we all hear. Most of the "Jews" who are on the far left today are not even halachically Jewish. They are the mixed children of Jewish-Gentile intermarriages, where both parents are far-left and have brainwashed their kids, are Deformed "converts" that are not halachically Jewish at all, or are left-wing Gentiles who have some Jewish ancestry way far back and think it is cool to claim Jewishness now.

This type of people are nearly all non religious. It is the movement Moses Mendelssohn has started.

But the question is, why this people are so attrackted to progressive-Judaism.

[White Israelite]

Uhhh Jews and anti-white are a oxymoron.

Your thinking about commie pinkos with some "Jewish background". Would one call themselves a Christian while defying everything the bible says? Wearing a star of David does not make one Jewish.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Hello White, I hate it when they sterotype Jews. Every Jew is different and some orthodox Jews voted for obama, my brother and his wife support obama. I asked my brother if he was angry at obama's turning his back on Israel and my brother didn't answer me right away. At that moment I stopped discussing obama. My SISTER IN LAW TURNED MY BROTHER INTO A LIBERAL!

My brother and his wife are orthodox and clearly support obama. At one point my brother lied to me and said he didn't vote for obama, and then when I tried to discuss obama, my brother tried to defend him. So what am I to make of this? Obviously he lied to me.

I think there are different types of Jews who voted for obama, some are very liberal, some are not religious and some who are orthodox did vote for the monster obama.


                                                                 Shalom - Dox