General Category > Introduce Yourself
An arab...
therealyemini:
--- Quote from: Madmarv on July 30, 2009, 05:33:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on July 30, 2009, 04:55:47 PM ---Marv, I don't have a problem with an Arab visiting this forum to discuss and expose the evil retrograde force that Islam is.
But to be perfectly frank with you, there are some reasons why you can not be a completely welcomed guest as far as I'm concerned.
You explain your rejection of Zionism is based primarily on your identity as a Christian, and mention that there are even Jews that don't support Zionism. Fine. But I don't believe you're being completely honest or forthright with the members of this forum.
It's my opinion that you (as an Arab) have a fundamental problem with Israel belonging to the Jewish People and being a Jewish State. Your objection to Israel is not really a theological or Christian one; it's actually based on Arab nationalism.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a 'Palestinian' or an Israeli ? I suspect it is the former. Frankly, I'd be shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli even though you live in Israel. And to be honest, I can understand why your Arab pride makes you feel this way.
However, while I can understand your rejection of Zionism and Israel as a Jewish State, I think you should know that this makes you my enemy even if we both detest Islam.
I can believe that you don't hate Jews. But I'm fairly certain you hate the idea of Israel, even though you live there. That makes you a potentially dangerous subversive. Therefore, as a Zionist who believes in absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel it's impossible to feel comfortable with you.
Yes, as far as Islam goes - you're the self-professed enemy of my enemy. We have that much in common. But do not be deluded that this necessarily makes you my friend.
That being said, I think your personal observations about Islam and an Arab's perspective of life in Israel can be of some value to this forum and I extend my welcome on that basis.
--- End quote ---
I have been frank with everyone from the beginning.
I'm an israeli, there is no such thing as palestine, although before the year 48 there was a palestinian state for a while.
People living here in israel have a lot of inner contradictions. In the beginning there was Israel, then after the exile, many people from around the world started coming to here, and on the year 600 A.C, muslims started coming to asia and middle east, and eventually to israel. There was never a palestinian place, I'm not yet to know everything about the history of palestine but I do know this much.
Being an arab have nothing to do with my rejection to zionism. I do have a lot against arabs in general, I'm more of an open minded person, I like both eastern and western culture equally, however I do have more respect and appreciation to western culture and history, for their achievements, and simply beauty.
My rejection to zionism is totally religious. I don't think I fully agree about the idea of "G-d" marking a "place" on the earth (israel) and a very specific kind of "people" (jews) and there is a messiah to come later in the future to settle all things good. Sorry I just don't believe in that. That is zionism. Judaism is what the old testimony tells us. The only thing that makes me respect and appreciate Christianity a lot (and also Judaism to some extent) is the fact that its a very peaceful religion, unlike Islam, which is the opposite entirely.
--- End quote ---
man
the defintation of Zionism is
national home to the jewish people in israel
it says that israel is gotta be a jewish state
without refering to the bible now, it means that jews have to live in israel, the zionist people support zionism mostly because if there is no jewish land, than the jews will be exterminated, and there will be a second holocaust
like christians got alot of countries
muzzies got alot of countries
jews must have their own country too, even if its super little like israel
and the pisslastinians are trying to take it from us illegally and barabricly
Madmarv:
I see your point, and I am with instating a homeland for the jews, truely, but I'm not comfortable with the "religious" ideologies that comes with Zionism. For example, all the god's-orders/instructions regarding israel or the jews in israel, like god gave the land to the jews and israel hence MUST be a jewish state (note israel only, it cannot be somewhere else) or something like that, I don't buy it. But don't take it personal, I don't buy any of the religious stuff, not only in Judaism but also in Christianity, I'm kindof agnostic but I'm not sure.
And I believe that all the none-jewish Zionists, are not really fully zionists, because they overlook the religious aspect of it, they just skip to the part where it says "and so the jews must have a jewish country and call it their own..".
Anyways, I hope I clarified this point fair enough so we can move on to welcome other members ;D
Manch:
Madmarv, stick around. You will learn about Zionism, Kahanism and perhaps will get a chance of becoming a decent human being, a Zionist, you know, a proud Christian living in Israel.
Madmarv:
--- Quote from: Manch on July 30, 2009, 08:33:09 PM ---Madmarv, stick around. You will learn about Zionism, Kahanism and perhaps will get a chance of becoming a decent human being, a Zionist, you know, a proud Christian living in Israel.
--- End quote ---
I do hope to learn more about Zionism, and I am already proud.
Thanks for your support. :)
MasterWolf1:
Welcome to JTF
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version