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An arab...
GoIsraelGo!:
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--- Quote from: republicandox on July 30, 2009, 03:58:45 PM ---I have removed my welcome post to mad marv. He's back forum members!
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What is a back forum member?
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You're a real smart [censored] aren't you marv?
Madmarv:
--- Quote from: Hyades on July 30, 2009, 04:35:57 PM ---
No this is not comparable. Many Christians believe there has to be a Jewish state and that Israel is the right place for that.
Also don't forget that a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount has always been the holiest to HaShem thus you should respect G*ds will to have the Jewish people in israel and also the Temple. And surely you as a Christian have all rights to stay there, you are a Noachide - contrary to the Muslims - who deny the whole Old and New Testament!
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Yes but being zionist is not only about having a jewish israel state, its also about the coming of the messiah for the jewish people in israel, if zionism was only about having a jewish state, nothing more, nothing less, then my concern about it is... almost nothing, I haven't cleared that completely yet, I said I'm a christian, but I don't deserv calling myself one since I haven't read the bible, and I'm not sure about everything in Christianity or any religio - kindof an agnostic. That being said, you should excuse me if I don't buy the Jewish Temple/HaShem story thing... but nonetheless I respect all religions (except Islam), and that's not my concern to dispute or confirm anything.
However, the only thing that makes me sympathize and support having a "jewish" state, is that there are not one jewish state in the world. Why not having one now? considering it is not a cult but rather a religion, with a fair amount of jews in the world and intelligent people that contributed A LOT to our world throughout history in all times...
And BTW, for your information, muslims THINK that they believe and even respect christianity and judaism, they think its written in their koran to believe in our religions, they also believe that the way we practice our religion is wrong, and even our books have been modified, and that they are right - lol no wonder.. they are always right about everything.... even f*cking animals and committing pedophilia and incest sex...
Madmarv:
--- Quote from: Muck DeFuslims on July 30, 2009, 04:55:47 PM ---Marv, I don't have a problem with an Arab visiting this forum to discuss and expose the evil retrograde force that Islam is.
But to be perfectly frank with you, there are some reasons why you can not be a completely welcomed guest as far as I'm concerned.
You explain your rejection of Zionism is based primarily on your identity as a Christian, and mention that there are even Jews that don't support Zionism. Fine. But I don't believe you're being completely honest or forthright with the members of this forum.
It's my opinion that you (as an Arab) have a fundamental problem with Israel belonging to the Jewish People and being a Jewish State. Your objection to Israel is not really a theological or Christian one; it's actually based on Arab nationalism.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a 'Palestinian' or an Israeli ? I suspect it is the former. Frankly, I'd be shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli even though you live in Israel. And to be honest, I can understand why your Arab pride makes you feel this way.
However, while I can understand your rejection of Zionism and Israel as a Jewish State, I think you should know that this makes you my enemy even if we both detest Islam.
I can believe that you don't hate Jews. But I'm fairly certain you hate the idea of Israel, even though you live there. That makes you a potentially dangerous subversive. Therefore, as a Zionist who believes in absolute Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel it's impossible to feel comfortable with you.
Yes, as far as Islam goes - you're the self-professed enemy of my enemy. We have that much in common. But do not be deluded that this necessarily makes you my friend.
That being said, I think your personal observations about Islam and an Arab's perspective of life in Israel can be of some value to this forum and I extend my welcome on that basis.
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I have been frank with everyone from the beginning.
I'm an israeli, there is no such thing as palestine, although before the year 48 there was a palestinian state for a while.
People living here in israel have a lot of inner contradictions. In the beginning there was Israel, then after the exile, many people from around the world started coming to here, and on the year 600 A.C, muslims started coming to asia and middle east, and eventually to israel. There was never a palestinian place, I'm not yet to know everything about the history of palestine but I do know this much.
Being an arab have nothing to do with my rejection to zionism. I do have a lot against arabs in general, I'm more of an open minded person, I like both eastern and western culture equally, however I do have more respect and appreciation to western culture and history, for their achievements, and simply beauty.
My rejection to zionism is totally religious. I don't think I fully agree about the idea of "god" marking a "place" on the earth (israel) and a very specific kind of "people" (jews) and there is a messiah to come later in the future to settle all things good. Sorry I just don't believe in that. That is zionism. Judaism is what the old testimony tells us. The only thing that makes me respect and appreciate Christianity a lot (and also Judaism to some extent) is the fact that its a very peaceful religion, unlike Islam, which is the opposite entirely.
ProudAndZionist:
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Muck DeFuslims:
I'm shocked to hear you say you're an Israeli. I thought you'd say you're a 'palestinian' or maybe an Arab living in Israel.
Believing that Hashem gave the Land of Israel to the Jews and that someday Moshiach will come isn't the definiton of Zionism. They're integral parts of Judaism and by extension a core component of many Zionist's belief system, but one need not be a Jew, or even accept any religion at all to believe that the Jewish People are entitled to their own homeland, specifically the Land of Israel.
For sure, the religious or divine justifications for Zionism are very powerful and most often cited by the proponents of Zionism (especially on this forum). But they are not the exclusive rationale behind believing in Zionism or the necessity and rightness of a Jewish homeland. There are also numerous historical, cultural, legal, geo-political and military imperatives that are crucial to the many people that have an affinity for Zionism. One need not be Jewish, Christian, or even believe in the Bible or G-d to be a Zionist (although it sure helps).
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