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Muslims in South-Western Serbia (Speech)
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Spectator on August 17, 2009, 05:56:47 AM ---If Seselj talked to them about their national origin, they wouldn't argue to him. Islam is international thing. The concept of a nation is not so important in Islam. They would tell him; yes we are Serbian Muslims and our way is right, and you are a Serbian kaffir (heretic) and your (Orthodox Christian) religion is wrong. So accept Islam and solve your problems, there'll be a righteous Islamic Republic of Serbia :)
--- End quote ---
Ok.
First of all you were the first person who welcomed me no this forum and I will try to understand your perspective. You should also try to understand my position and my side. If you would study Serbian history than you would be surprise about some facts. You will see that there was a period in which different religions (Judaism, Islam and Christianity) lived together in peace on the Balkans.
You had Muslims who identified them selves with Serbs and they respected the authority of the Serbian Orthodox Church and of the Serbian king. You will say now to me that these Muslims only respected the Serbian authority in good times, in peace. Thats partly correct! Some Muslims were also loyal to the kingdom of Serbia in bad times - 1914 and 1941.
You must also know that Serbian Muslims became hostile towards Serbs, when they decided to not identify them selves with Serbs anymore. So, you are not right when you claim Islam is always an international thing. The colonial empires from Western Europe who also occupied the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina used indoctrinations during their rule to falsely convince (brainwash) the Serbian Muslim and Catholic population of Bosnia and Herzegovina that their ancestors are not Serbs. These colonial methods resulted into the alienation between Orthodox Serbs and Catholic and Muslim Serbs. Because of this colonial policy we have no longer one nation (Serbian) in Bosnia but 3 hostile nations.
Everybody knows that if you divide people and when two parties fight with each other, the third party will win! Thats why colonial powers (EU-nations) use colonial indoctrinations to cause divisions among Serbs in order to conquer them easily!
Remember divide people and than you can rule!
This colonial tactic is used against Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina by NATO-nations.
So the conclusion is that colonial indoctrination contributed to hostility of Bosnian Muslims towards Serbs. You should also pay attention to this fact.
Serbian_Radical_Party:
--- Quote from: Boyana on August 17, 2009, 07:38:45 AM ---
You can not deprive the Muslims of their rights their where they are born?
Muslims have no rights in Serbia or Montenegro.
Long live Vojvoda Pavle Djurishich
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First of all it is not civilized to deprive people of their human rights and Serbs are accused of such activities by the West, but real Serbs know that Muslim are equal in right to Serbs in Serbia. To say that Muslims have no right in Serbia is first of all a flagrant lie it will only make the Hague Tribunal very happy and other Serbian enemies.
You did not learn Serbian history.
It is a fact that you had also Serbian Muslims who were loyal the kingdom of Serbia and the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Vojvoda Pavle Djurisic was Cetnik and you had a Cetnik brigade which consisted out of 5000 Muslim Cetniks.
Its time for some of you to get your hands on some historical books :)
voo-yo:
This SRP reminds me of that movie "Dead man" with Johny Depp and Gary Farmer. Farmer plays an Indian called Xebeche or "He Who Talks Loud, Saying Nothing" by fellow natives.
voo-yo:
--- Quote ---First of all it is not civilized to deprive people of their human rights and Serbs are accused of such activities by the West, but real Serbs know that Muslim are equal in right to Serbs in Serbia.
--- End quote ---
God wiling, one day soon they'll be packing bags and move to Teheran. You can join your brothers there.
Spectator:
SRS,
first off I am not against people who believe in Mohammed and Allah, (as long as they don't draw inspiration to harm my country from Islam or some other reasons). There are good and bad people in every society.
Secondly, I don't know who do you mean by "Serbian Muslims", be they Bosniaks or Muslims who live in Republic of Serbia or some other group. I don't know the history of their relationship with the Serbs. So I am not telling you how to treat Muslims in Serbia, it is your internal affair.
But you cannot ignore the fact that contemporary ideology of Islam, exported from Saudi Arabia, Iran etc. is the aggressive one. It aims to impose itself on Europe, and, later, on the rest of the world. It is not a conspiracy theory, they speak about it openly and are proud of that. If you don't believe me, do some independent research and you will see. Also, you can check that Islam as ideology IS international, global thing. It rejects nationalism and strong national states advocating their own interests.
http://duaat.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/how-islam-will-dominate-the-world/
And I can't accept the argument that "extremist Islam was invented in Washington" or somewhere else in the West. The fact that the West tried to use them in Afghanistan and in Yugoslavia doesn't mean that they are Western puppets. As I said, they have their own worldview and far-reaching agenda. They as well used the West who gave them weapons and military training. Today they use these skills against the US and the West globally.
Time will come and they'll try to extend their influence on Balkans without the regard what Serbian Muslims think about that (and I am sure that at least some Bosnian Muslims will welcome them).
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