Childish slander/insults are getting us no where. What are you doing to fix it?

[White Israelite]

I'm a bit disturbed recently with some of the threads/posts on the forum. Quite frankly, I would love for everyone to question themselves, how they are helping this movement, and what they are doing to change the western world and save it from Islamic influence.

I see all these posts by "new" members and a few older members as well that are contributing to this "trolling/spam war" against our opposition. Lets face it, we are a movement made up of Jewish and righteous Gentiles that fight and defend Torah and moral values.

We need to rehash everything. The movement and what it stands for is fine, but some members are destroying and opposing the very thing JTF stands for.

While we have members who continue to throw around the term 'homosexuals' 'pedophiles' 'rapists' at everyone who posts fabricated lies about our people (telling us the holocaust never happened, telling us we are khazars, telling us we are the cause for war and the problems), the enemy is winning this war regardless if you think so or not. We're not making new friends or attracting new members to this forum with the childish games. I've invited several members to this forum in the past who will never come back, because of the content posted by a few members I won't name. These people were military, law enforcement, Jews, Christians, and people who opposed what the enemy is doing, and they left because they didn't want to associate themselves with those "few" members that ruin the movement for the rest of us.

It's time for certain "individuals" to grow up.

Start asking yourself, what have you done for this movement, what can you do starting tomorrow? 

I can tell you what i've done, i've continued to educate individuals here about what is happening with our gun laws, how to properly defend yourself, staying law abiding, and keeping activist information on the forum on recent court cases. I donate to the NRA, JPFO, and write my congressmen all the time to oppose new laws that are drafted. I also inform other individuals and they inform other individuals as a domino effect.

Quite frankly, as a law abiding movement and an organization representing Jewish values, we need to state FACTS. Counter the enemies so called "facts" with our own, stop calling others silly names, it makes us look silly, and rather embarrassing at that. The idea isn't to appease your enemy or even impress them, it's to get those people sitting on the fence interested in our movement. The youth are the future of this country, and we're not going to get anywhere when we're calling everyone pedophiles, homosexuals or whores.

Do not make me your enemy, I am the friend of the Jewish people because I was born of a Jewish mother and father, I trace my lineage to the Israelites and am very proud of that.

This movement consists of the people. If you can't do it for the JTF, do it for G-d and yourselves. Remember we are people of the book, these childish insults are not like us at all. I'd expect this with some Aztlan movement, but not with the JTF.

[muman613]

Shalom White Israelite,

I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. Intelligent people seek intelligent people and they don't get caught up in childish name-calling or trolling. When I joined JTF I envisioned this, that we should present intelligent topics to a intelligent audience. I have said that spelling and grammar are important in order to convey our message in an adult manner.

I must say that some JTF members can learn from you....

[Daleksfearme]

As I have stated in other posts, I tend to be more receptive to a more Spock like approach. I think that the facts can stand on their own without the undo emotion.

For example - It does not make sense to allow a large group of people who have repeatedly called for the death of the Jewish people and Israel to be allowed a foothold in the heartland of Israel. This is a recipe for disaster. but I feel as though we can approach this and other issues from a high moral and rational ground.

We can defend without sinking to the level of the street and , in the end, I think the message will be more effective on the whole. It is, of course, very difficult to maintain composure when hearing of a terrible event, but a controlled and focused response is always the best route.

[~Hanna~]

Ok, sorry.... I got sucked in....

[Mandamus]

Agreed. Good to hear (and read) a voice of reason here.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Hey Mr. "Voice Of Reason" (yeah, I'm talking to you, Man's Anus):

Before we indulge your butt any longer, answer this--do you believe that the Holocaust happened, yes/no?

Please answer this before posting anything else.

[The One and Only Mo]

Would he actually say no,lol?

[Mishmaat]

Hey Mr. "Voice Of Reason" (yeah, I'm talking to you, Man's Anus):

Before we indulge your butt any longer, answer this--do you believe that the Holocaust happened, yes/no?

Please answer this before posting anything else.

"It happened, BUT only [insert grossly understated figure here] actually were murdered..."

It's only a matter of time before I ban this fellow. I have zero tolerance for Nazis. In fact, ideally and from a halachic standpoint, they should all be killed. I've never been in the business of making friends and influencing people. Especially members of S.F.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I agree. Aren't Jews ordered to wipe out Amalek?

[Mandamus]

Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?

[Boyana]

I haven't really said much about this 'til now because I didn't want to upset/offend anyone and I know many of you all are gonna disagree wtih me, but I felt the need to be honest about how I was feeling. I really do respect you all opinions and I hope everyone continues to do what is best for them and what they feel is right.
We will soon be short of brave,smart,educated members if we continue like this.
We have moral values,which I respect here at JFT
I hope we will bring more great memebers here,but with please look at some topic here.
We need to find the best way to fix the problem.
Love and peace to you all.

[Lisa]

Mandamus, Bonesfan asked you a simple question.  Do you, or do you not believe that the Holocaust happened? 

[The One and Only Mo]

Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?

steeeeeeeerike two

[Lisa]

Another question for you, Mandamus. 

Do you believe that Israel has the right to exist?  Or do you still believe that Israel lost its right to exist in 135 AD, as you mentioned over at S.F?

[Mandamus]

Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one.

[Moshe92]

Do you believe that the Holocaust happened? Yes or no.

[Dr. Dan]

Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one.

Wait hold on one sec...you never answered the question..it requires a yes or no answer..

Do you believe the Jewish Holocaust is a fabricated event or a real one? Does Israel have the right to exist as a Jewish state?

[Lisa]

Mandamus,

I moved the thread because I don't want any unwelcome attention from your comrades in S.F.  I don't think it should have been posted in the first place.  But anyway...

I sense sarcasm in your writing.  

Let me remind you that this is Chaim Pen Pesach's forum.  He pays for the hosting and the bandwidth.  As an administrator, I'm here to make sure the forum is run according to his wishes. Chaim is a right wing, zionist Jew who hates nazis with a passion (as we all do here).  And the fact that you're refusing to answer a simple question shows you to be a clever white supremacist, as opposed to the shrieking and raving kind.  

As far as I'm concerned, the nazis got off way too lightly for their crimes against Jews, slavs, and anyone else they considered "undesirable."  So for you to say that you have every right to question our "dogma" is nothing more than an attempt to whitewash what your beloved Hitler and his minions did.  

You may say, there were only 600,000 Jews that died rather than six million.  Does that make it OK in your eyes?  

[Lisa]

Notice how Mandamus also threw out the "F" word?

What is it with S.F'ers lecturing other people on free speech and censorship? 

This forum is owned by Chaim Ben Pesach, and I'm one of his administrators.  Considering that he's paying for the hosting, he has every right to decide who stays here and who gets thrown out, if he doesn't like the drivel they post.  As another example, if I were to go on your beloved S.F. and say that all w.n.'s suck, I would be banned immediately. 

Free speech only means that the government can't punish me for most forms of speech. 

[~Hanna~]

OH, DON'T EVEN TRY TO PULL THAT CRAP HERE, OK?

NOT ONE OF US BELIEVE'S THE HOLOCAUST DID NOT HAPPEN.

TAKE YOUR BS SOMEWHERE ELSE.

thanks.

 

Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?

[The One and Only Mo]

Notice how Mandamus also threw out the "F" word?

What is it with S.F'ers lecturing other people on free speech and censorship? 

This forum is owned by Chaim Ben Pesach, and I'm one of his administrators.  Considering that he's paying for the hosting, he has every right to decide who stays here and who gets thrown out, if he doesn't like the drivel they post.  As another example, if I were to go on your beloved S.F. and say that all w.n.'s suck, I would be banned immediately. 

Free speech only means that the government can't punish me for most forms of speech. 

Why is he still here?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

all w.n.'s suck

And they all sw... oh, forget it, I won't go there. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Hi Bones. I don't want to derail Whiteisrael's thread with this discussion, but let me ask you this: if I, or someone like me, had a perfectly reasonable argument that cast some doubt on the version of the holocaust that most Westerners have learned, would you read it, or would you immediately call for heads to roll as I've spoken heresy against this most holy subject?

I will consider this to be an answer to my question, Man's Anus.

Now aren't you getting late for your syphilis-screening appointment?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Man's Anus, I have to agree with Lisa that it's hypocritical for you to preach to us about "fascism" when you are by definition a fascist. Yes, honey, National Socialism is fascism (and Marxism). You want an all-powerful, tyrannical regime in place that will put Jews and all dissenters to Nazism to death. Therefore your phony moralizing here rings hollow.

[The One and Only Mo]

Hi Lisa, I had a nice long reply to your question last night, but the thread was deleted by the time I hit Send.

This discussion we're having cuts right to the quick of this "disagreement"; am I a heretic for daring to question dogma? Language is often used to shut down arguments, isn't it? "Lets ask if he 'believes' in the holocaust and that will be that."

You know what it's called when you feel you have to check and see if someone is "thinking correctly"?...

...Fascism.

Now MY question was a mere academic one.

You know what it's called when somebody goes to a forum they have nothing in common with? Mental retardation.