Maybe there's good Muslims after all?

[MrPatriot1776]

I just have some food for thought.

On my Facebook page, I did an update about a Pakistani Taliban Chief being killed in an American missile strike.

The comment I saw, moreover who it was coming from, greatly surprised me. Muhammad Umair Jafri said,
"I feel happy about he Being Killed.

Regards,
A Pakistani"

Can you belive it? There is actually a Muslim against extremism.

And this is not an isolated incident. We see Turkey, the Iraqi Secutirty Forces, and and the Northern Alliance (in Afghanistan) allying with America. On top of that, we see Iranians - Iranians - protesting Ahmadinejad.

I will admit that we will rarely see Muslims supporting Israel, but at least some don't want Israel "wiped off the map."

In light of all of this, I think it's ignorant at best to think all Muslims are hateful, violent extremists. They may have an inherently hateful book, though. I will admit that.

What do you guys think?

[The One and Only Mo]

I don't know any Muslims. The only ones I knew were a few janitors in my old yeshivah. The regular was a good guy but the fill ins stole 400 shekel from me and I hope they die of leukemia for that.

[MrPatriot1776]

I don't know any Muslims. The only ones I knew were a few janitors in my old yeshivah. The regular was a good guy but the fill ins stole 400 shekel from me and I hope they die of leukemia for that.

I know lots of Muslims. Mansour, Kia, Siavash, etc. They would never hurt a fly.

[Madmarv]

true not all Muslims are like that.

However, Muslims are not our primarily target, its Islam. The religion, or ideology of Islam. Just because they don't have the heart to follow it, or they don't even know whats in there, doesn't mean Islam is fine.

[MrPatriot1776]

true not all Muslims are like that.

However, Muslims are not our primarily target, its Islam. The religion, or ideology of Islam. Just because they don't have the heart to follow it, or they don't even know whats in there, doesn't mean Islam is fine.

I'll agree with you on that. But, what do you think about forming alliances with freedom-loving Muslims?

[Madmarv]

true not all Muslims are like that.

However, Muslims are not our primarily target, its Islam. The religion, or ideology of Islam. Just because they don't have the heart to follow it, or they don't even know whats in there, doesn't mean Islam is fine.

I'll agree with you on that. But, what do you think about forming alliances with freedom-loving Muslims?

Sure why not. I'm not against people, I'm against the ideology. And if someone follow that ideology, I'm against him. Freedom-loving muslims don't follow this ideology. Maybe they think they do, but in reality they overlook a lot of aspects about muhammad and the koran, because following muhammad completely means being a terrorist.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

בס"ד
Every Al Taqqiya swine can use that kinda lie. A Muslim by definition is EVIL.

[sonja_yu]

true not all Muslims are like that.

However, Muslims are not our primarily target, its Islam. The religion, or ideology of Islam. Just because they don't have the heart to follow it, or they don't even know whats in there, doesn't mean Islam is fine.

I'll agree with you on that. But, what do you think about forming alliances with freedom-loving Muslims?

Sure why not. I'm not against people, I'm against the ideology. And if someone follow that ideology, I'm against him. Freedom-loving muslims don't follow this ideology. Maybe they think they do, but in reality they overlook a lot of aspects about muhammad and the koran, because following muhammad completely means being a terrorist.

Yes, makes sense.
This is why those obsessed with Islam hate them.

[Hyades]

I have Pakistani admirers of my anti-sharia artworks. That's jsut strange in Pakistan. They are either pro-Western and fear Taliban and fanatism to ruin their lives and there is the other extreme of those who are extremely Muslamic and anti-everything-outside-Pakistan!

[Historical Truth]

There are. But they are the minority.

[sonja_yu]

Well-said, by both.

[FreedomFighter08]

I don't know any Muslims. The only ones I knew were a few janitors in my old yeshivah. The regular was a good guy but the fill ins stole 400 shekel from me and I hope they die of leukemia for that.

Whoa! Calm down. It's just money.

And I know a few Muslims who describe themselves as "moderate" and some don't even care about their religion.

[The One and Only Mo]

I don't know any Muslims. The only ones I knew were a few janitors in my old yeshivah. The regular was a good guy but the fill ins stole 400 shekel from me and I hope they die of leukemia for that.

Whoa! Calm down. It's just money.

And I know a few Muslims who describe themselves as "moderate" and some don't even care about their religion.

 

[SW]

There are not good Muslims. Those who are "good" aren't Muslims and not religious. So they aren't Muslims.

[The One and Only Mo]

There are not good Muslims. Those who are "good" aren't Muslims and not religious. So they aren't Muslims.

exactly.

[TruthSpreader]

There are not good Muslims. Those who are "good" aren't Muslims and not religious. So they aren't Muslims.

True. If one's a "good" Muslim, he isn't a Muslim.

[takebackourtemple]

Keep in mind that a Muslim Nazi hating another Muslim Nazi does not make him good. They all hate each other and that is why they are willing to send there own children to die as marters.

[GoIsraelGo!]

Mr Patriot, here is the problem....while some muslims are not violent and do not openly advocate jihad, you have to bear in mind they still worship mohamed who is the founder of the evil koran.
islam is a sick evil twisted ideaology and anyone who goes along with it should never be trusted.

The only muslims I would trust, would be muslims who have left islam and verbally expose the evils of their former religion.

[The One and Only Mo]

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

[~Hanna~]

What about Muslims that become Christians? I know of some somewhere. They get along well with Jews. Please, noone throw rocks at me, but they are not terrorists, they believe in following the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob now. (I might delete this if it starts a war, lol)

I know this goes against the norm, but....

[Cato]

What about Muslims that become Christians? I know of some somewhere. They get along well with Jews. Please, noone throw rocks at me, but they are not terrorists, they believe in following the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob now. (I might delete this if it starts a war, lol)

I know this goes against the norm, but....

Hanna, as you may recall, I have some reason to agree with you. However, what I really think is that it all depends on the context. In western Turkey there are huge numbers of thinking young people who at the most pay only lip service to Islam, and to them personally I have no problem. However, I do have a problem with anyone whatsoever who takes Islam seriously.   

[~Hanna~]

yes....

What about Muslims that become Christians? I know of some somewhere. They get along well with Jews. Please, noone throw rocks at me, but they are not terrorists, they believe in following the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob now. (I might delete this if it starts a war, lol)

I know this goes against the norm, but....

Hanna, as you may recall, I have some reason to agree with you. However, what I really think is that it all depends on the context. In western Turkey there are huge numbers of thinking young people who at the most pay only lip service to Islam, and to them personally I have no problem. However, I do have a problem with anyone whatsoever who takes Islam seriously.   

[Hyades]

There are not good Muslims. Those who are "good" aren't Muslims and not religious. So they aren't Muslims.

They may be Muslims statistically but in the eyes of religious Muslims, they are as kuffar and even worse than a Jew or a Christian! Muslims hate non-religious Muslims more than they hate Jews and Christians!

[~Hanna~]

Yes, I agree.....

Mr Patriot, here is the problem....while some muslims are not violent and do not openly advocate jihad, you have to bear in mind they still worship mohamed who is the founder of the evil koran.
islam is a sick evil twisted ideaology and anyone who goes along with it should never be trusted.

The only muslims I would trust, would be muslims who have left islam and verbally expose the evils of their former religion.

[joseph21]

There are 3 types of muslims
1-Secular muslims (with that those that interested in politics usually will be against the wests foriegn policy, and there are secular muslims that are support it for their own gain) Mahmud Abbas.

2-Regular normal muslims following Islam: average, god fearing, follows Islam as it was followed by the prophets.(oppose Israel and see it as unjust)

3-Al-Qaida and the likes- These use Islam only as a political platform for their power. They take one verse out of context(similar to what I see here) and say ok, what we do is permitted.

 The alqaida muslims are you guys talk about, that hate other muslims and wvr

I welcome any debate or if anyone needs further explanation