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Baptism
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:41:05 AM »
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 01:41:46 AM »
It is a ritual sign that somebody has become born-again; i.e., has converted to Christianity.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 01:42:50 AM »
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?

I always believed it was derived from the concept of mikvah...

But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...

It is not quite the same as the Brit, which is a cerimony which marks the Jew for his entire life, and he is reminded each day of the faith of his birth.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2009, 01:43:36 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2009, 01:44:04 AM »
It is a ritual sign that somebody has become born-again; i.e., has converted to Christianity.

Do you only do it once?
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2009, 01:46:58 AM »
It is only done once, normally, and different denominations have different ways of doing it. I don't think the Christian Bible gives an explicit formula of how it must be done.


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Re: Baptism
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2009, 01:49:42 AM »
But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...
Some denominations believe in infant baptism. Others don't. The New Testament itself never shows infant baptism and I personally don't think it serves any purpose. Baptism was originally meant as a sign that someone had converted. A baby can't choose its religion.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2009, 02:20:27 AM »
Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2009, 02:25:24 AM »
Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.

Haven't watched the Simpsons in years, lol, although I remember that episode. The reason I said "victim" was based on a story line from one of my favorite shows.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2009, 02:28:46 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2009, 02:32:55 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2009, 02:34:24 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.

I barely read what it meant with my shabby Hebrew skills...

But I also discovered that google has a hebrew->english translation site : http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en

He doesn't know what you mean by this statement... I think it is from some TV show or cartoon or something...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2009, 02:35:54 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


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Re: Baptism
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2009, 02:36:06 AM »
Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2009, 02:37:00 AM »
So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?

מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?
 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


Sorry. but I can't respond in hebrew.

I barely read what it meant with my shabby Hebrew skills...

But I also discovered that google has a hebrew->english translation site : http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en

He doesn't know what you mean by this statement... I think it is from some TV show or cartoon or something...


I understand Hebrew, just couldnt respond in hebrew. The reference is from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2009, 02:45:17 AM »
Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?


   כולם הערביים למות של סרטן של אשך

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 02:46:28 AM »
Can somebody here type "May All Arabs Die Of Testicular Cancer" in Hebrew, please?


   כולם הערביים למות של סרטן של אשך

Although I figured it would be beitzim instead.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 02:47:10 AM »
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?


 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?


Baptisam is not about VICTIMS


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Re: Baptism
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 02:54:35 AM »
In the New Testament, the first example was John the Baptist, who was in the Jordan river baptizing people....so I think they were totally immersing themselves in the water....

So it has to be done in a body of water or can the priest just sprinkle water on the "victim"?
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Re: Baptism
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 02:55:50 AM »
Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
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Re: Baptism
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2009, 02:57:04 AM »
מַה זֹּאת אוֹמֶרֶת?


 מָה אַתָּה מַמְלִיץ?


WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?


Baptisam is not about VICTIMS


I was just making a reference to a TV show. Sorry.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2009, 02:57:46 AM »
Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
Because I want to know if originates from the concept of mikveh.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2009, 04:43:05 AM »
yes.

Why were you asking? Just curious.
Has anybody here been baptized or been to a baptism? Is it just the Christian version of going to a mikveh?
Because I want to know if originates from the concept of mikveh.
SHEMA ISRAEL
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Re: Baptism
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2009, 05:42:20 AM »
Someone getting baptized is not a victim! You've watched too many Simpsons episodes.

Haven't watched the Simpsons in years, lol, although I remember that episode. The reason I said "victim" was based on a story line from one of my favorite shows.
Still you must have realized some would find it offensive here.  I would never think it was ok to make fun of or question the Jewish beliefs in a mocking way.  I would ask a question in a polite way if I really wanted to understand.
Be very CAREFUL of people whose WORDS don't match their ACTIONS.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2009, 05:58:05 AM »
But I believe that a baby is baptised once and they are 'purified' for life...
Some denominations believe in infant baptism. Others don't. The New Testament itself never shows infant baptism and I personally don't think it serves any purpose. Baptism was originally meant as a sign that someone had converted. A baby can't choose its religion.
Confirmation is a sacrament that reaffirms Baptism.  I will never be baptized again, even though I know that some Christians believe I have not been 'saved'.  To each his own beliefs.  I choose to practice my religion every day.  I don't practice it soley because I was baptized.
This 'victim' was introduced to G-d by having a little water sprinkled on her head at a baptismal font.
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