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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2009, 10:55:53 PM »
The Hamites are descendants of Ham. There is a Torah kloloh on all of them. If they fulfil their tafkid of being subservient assistants to the Shemites and Japhetites, all is well.

But they are not meant to be "equals" or have equal rights.

And that includes all Hamites ie Africans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans etc etc.

The Tzemach Tzedek states that Hamites will not exist in the Messianic Era.

Racism is against the Torah.

But racialism (which is not the same) is a foundation of Torah!
You obviously are here to make religious Jews look as bad as possible. Either you are a far-left Feces Now-type wanker or a Spermfront member.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2009, 11:00:38 PM »
I agree with KWRBT, this Jew is a racist and wants us all to be. This is what StormFont wants to believe about JTF.
How do you know that this individual is even a Jew? It could easily be a "tribalist" who is out to prove how "evil" the Talmud is to the world.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2009, 12:11:42 AM »
Whoever he is...  The "new guy" in this thread is obviously him.   Maybe that's why they let him back... Because no matter how many times they ban him he's going to come back under a new screenname.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2009, 12:22:42 AM »
Listen everyone who is involved in this thread!

It is Elul, the month of preparation for the High Holidays. We should not be fighting between ourselves. If this galilerat is really Jewish let him show it in the way he behaves. A Jew doesnt create machlokes like this right before the day of Judgment. I ask that all the Jews please attempt to learn the laws of Teshuva and to implement them.

My current signature line relates the mitzvah of returning lost items. I have heard an interpretation of this law to mean that we should always help return the lost soul of a Jew to the path of Torah. I ask that you look into Torah and attempt to rise to the level which Moshe inspired our forefathers, to rise against the inclination of evil, the path of hatred and disrespect.

Every Jewish neshama is important to the Jewish nation. While we can argue about erev rav and whether certain converts are sincere in their conversions, or whether their conversion was 'kosher' enough for us... It will not bring about the desired goal of bringing Moshiach. When it comes to rebuke it must be said lovingly and with good intention.

Please have respect for the sages of Israel and the wisdom which our scholars have passed to us. Most hold the Chofetz Chaim to be very brilliant regarding the mitzvahs of Ahavas Yisroel and the negativity associated with Lashon Hara. Every High Holiday period I read the Chofetz Chaims Daily companion to help me use my power of speech for the purpose of goodness.

My kevannah is with all who sincerely want to see the world of Moshiach in our days.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 12:23:06 AM »
Let's put it this way.  Show us in halacha galilee where there is any distinction made between dark skin-type gentiles vs. light skin gentiles.   That we are supposed to act any differently based on skin color or racial composition.    LOL, while you're searching, let us know if you find any flying pigs.


I can't find any real problems with the facts of GALRAT.

You also couldn't show us anything in halacha.

You did quote a long "anti modernity" speech by Rav Miller, which I must say is a HUGE stretch...

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2009, 12:59:03 AM »
Let's put it this way.  Show us in halacha galilee where there is any distinction made between dark skin-type gentiles vs. light skin gentiles.   That we are supposed to act any differently based on skin color or racial composition.    LOL, while you're searching, let us know if you find any flying pigs.



1) "Dark-skinned Cohanim would be rejected by the law requiring unblemished men (Vayikra 21:18). Even if the complexion would not actually constitute a blemish, yet
the Cohanim must represent the seed of the Fathers.

See the great thing about hashqafic tangents like this is that they leave themselves open to rational thought.  You know, it's what you do with your brain.  It is interesting that Rav Miller implicitly admits the weakness of his claim (I have heard several reasons why Moshe's sons were passed over, and this was not one of them).  He says "Even if the complexion would not actually constitute a blemish" ... He admits that is not really a blemish even if he'd like it to be.  He is creative here, even surprising/shocking, but not very convincing.  On what does he base this?   He speaks of the covenant in Bereshith.  What does that have to do with kehuna?   And if kehuna, why not everything else as well, including membership in the Jewish nation?  Afterall, the covenant with Avraham was about the Jewish people.   So do we say that Jews who do not "look like the seed of the fathers" are not Jewish too?   Apparently you do argue that, but clearly that is not in Rav Miller. (he refutes that in the next line you quoted).   And to me that is preposterous and against everything JTF stands for and Rav Kahane stood for, but not what Rav Miller is saying anyway.  ie
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"All races are eligible for joining the Torah-nation, and for their promise of the Afterlife"
  So if you fish for your hashkafa out of selections from R Miller's polemic works, it is curious why you take the liberty to champion something he was clearly against, and then dishonestly quote him as if what he wrote supports you or is a help to your argument, when really he writes the exact opposite of what you wrote of the ethiopians.  That is twisted.  

Keep in mind nobody is debating here about ethiopian gerim joining the kehuna (or whatever else you imagine).  So even if we took what Rav Miller wrote at face value, pretending there was no other indication in midrashim for why Moshe's sons were passed up, it still has nothing to do with the subject of the ethiopian Jews/ falash mura etc...     

The other interesting thing about hashqafic tangents is that they often have nothing to do with halacha.  And you were asked about halacha, and how Jews should act differently amongst different goyim.   Of course you can't answer that.  You can only cherrypick a few quotes that favor some 'sentiment' of yours.

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The principle of "racism" is one of the foundations, and the "seed of the Fathers" is specifically designated in the Covenant of the Fathers ("to be to you a G-d and to your seed after you - Breshis 17:7). All races are eligible for joining the Torah-nation, and for their promise of the Afterlife , but those that officiate in the service of Hashem must symbolise the Fathers and the seed of the Fathers. Therefore the children of the Midianite (Cushite) woman were not elevated to the Cehunah, despite the supreme excellence of their father"[/i]

It's cute the way Rav Miller finds ways to thumb his nose at modern values here, but I am deeply troubled by the statement "the principle of racism is one of the foundations."   What is the context of that?   With all due respect, it really does come off sounding like lunacy.   He must not mean racism the way you do.  That is probably where you go wrong, although the apparent source of your hashqafa is also troubling.  Because it appears to be your own desires super-imposed onto the writings of great men.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2009, 01:56:39 AM »
Wow, galileerat. Now you are attacking Ethiopians. I remember you defended them once:

Just like G-d commanded the Twelve Tribes to dwell apart in Biblical times, thereby each preserving its own unique character and traits whilst still united as one nation under Torah, and according to Ezekiel 48 will again live separately in Messianic times, Ethiopians should live with pride in their own 50,000-person towns in Judea & Samaria, to be named "Kfar Falash", " Kochav Etiyopiya" or "Kiryat Kush",  to be built by their own hands, according to their style, with their own Ethiopian mayors, police, judges, teachers, social services, festivals and shimagle elders.

But for you it is not a contradiction. Since you objective is to create hostility between different religious and/or nationalistic groups, any approach that serves the objective is valid even if it contradicts the previous ones.

Galileerat pretends to be knowlegeable in hashkafa (Jewish religious vision of the world), uses Halachic terms and some Jews who do not know much about Judaism may take what he says at face value.

In fact, he insults Torah scholars and tries to trade his own insane ideas as Halacha (Jewish law). He misqoutes rabbis and distorts their words.

Galileerat is a very dangerous troll.
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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2009, 02:20:33 AM »
The Hamites are descendants of Ham. There is a Torah kloloh on all of them. If they fulfil their tafkid of being subservient assistants to the Shemites and Japhetites, all is well.

But they are not meant to be "equals" or have equal rights.

And that includes all Hamites ie Africans, Japanese, Chinese, Koreans etc etc.

The Tzemach Tzedek states that Hamites will not exist in the Messianic Era.

Racism is against the Torah.

But racialism (which is not the same) is a foundation of Torah!
I want you to show me one serious rabbi who speak like that ? You are delusional.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2009, 04:21:25 AM »
Had to dig deep into the library and it took a while to find it Galrat... would ya belive it you're correct.
Who ever says that I'm Galrat going under another name can take a hike! That's just an easy way shutting down a debate by smearing people who side with a point you can't get your head around.
I suppose when Moshiach comes there's gonna be a lot of shocks!
Thanks:)
Here are Miller's exact words
 
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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2009, 07:43:03 AM »
So wonga66, how come you started posted immediately after galrat's been banned ? It seems too coordinated.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2009, 02:53:57 PM »
So wonga66, how come you started posted immediately after galrat's been banned ? It seems too coordinated.

the subject was brought to my attention by another member who has an Ethiopian girlfriend so I thought I'd make my suggestion.I hope that's cool with you???

It's amazing how quoting R'Miller, let alone straight forward Pshat Torah is out of bounds and on the JTF Forum ...would you belive!

Golda Meir said that greater than the fear she had of war between jew and arab and greater than war between Israeli and Israeli is war between Charedi and Charedi (meaning Torah observant inc.knitted kippot).

Are you observant?


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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 02:57:02 PM »
So wonga66, how come you started posted immediately after galrat's been banned ? It seems too coordinated.

the subject was brought to my attention by another member who has an Ethiopian girlfriend so I thought I'd make my suggestion.I hope that's cool with you???

It's amazing how quoting R'Miller, let alone straight forward Pshat Torah is out of bounds and on the JTF Forum ...would you belive!

Golda Meir said that greater than the fear she had of war between jew and arab and greater than war between Israeli and Israeli is war between Charedi and Charedi (meaning Torah observant inc.knitted kippot).

Are you observant?



This quote does nothing to prove or disprove the basic premise. This is simply saying that they cannot be Cohanim, yet anyone not born a Kohanim cannot become a kohanim. It is not a 'curse' that they cannot become a Kohen.

What does this quote prove? It just talks about Miriams complaint to Moshe about not having relations with his wife {for this Miriam was smited with Tzaras}.

PS: Look at issue #2 in the quoted text... It appears that the real reason Moshes sons were not elevated to Kahuna was because the nation would think it was nepotism {and Korach and his evil coalition capitilized on this idea in their revolt}... They already felt that Moshe was keeping to much of the Holy service in his own family...

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 02:58:38 PM »
So wonga66, how come you started posted immediately after galrat's been banned ? It seems too coordinated.

the subject was brought to my attention by another member who has an Ethiopian girlfriend so I thought I'd make my suggestion.I hope that's cool with you???

It's amazing how quoting R'Miller, let alone straight forward Pshat Torah is out of bounds and on the JTF Forum ...would you belive!

Golda Meir said that greater than the fear she had of war between jew and arab and greater than war between Israeli and Israeli is war between Charedi and Charedi (meaning Torah observant inc.knitted kippot).

Are you observant?



What did you mean when you wrote "charedi (meaning Torah observant inc. knitted kippot)?" I don't think there are many knitted kipa people who identify as "charedi."

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 06:49:11 PM »
Who ever says that I'm Galrat going under another name can take a hike!

But you are.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 06:54:39 PM »
So wonga66, how come you started posted immediately after galrat's been banned ? It seems too coordinated.

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It's amazing how quoting R'Miller,   .... is out of bounds

Nobody said it was.   But quoting him in order to distort his opinion or to pretend he supports your own beliefs when clearly he doesn't, I would call that "out of bounds."  Because it's dishonest.   Also, drawing a wacked-out conclusion from what R Miller wrote may be a sincere mistake and to be rejected, but given that you did the former (distortion), it is hard to believe that the latter is sincere in any way.   Either way, refuting it is not out of bounds either.   That is all that was done.


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let alone straight forward Pshat Torah is out of bounds and on the JTF Forum ...

LOL.   Straight forward pshat Torah.  Right.   You've got to be kidding.

I have yet to see that from you in this thread.



Btw, you are again distorting.   When golda meir said 'war between charedi and charedi' we all know that that means different subsects of haredim.... And yes, they are at each others throats (see recent controversy involving R Porush and the Jerusalem mayoral contest).   And yes, warfare between different sects of haredim is terrible for the Jewish people and a very dangerous affair indeed.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »
Who ever says that I'm Galrat going under another name can take a hike!
Oh give us a damn break. We're not stupid. How much money do you want us to bet that Lisa or Dan Ben Noah will confirm that you are indeed Mifletzet?

You are a rat indeed... you are filthy, stinking, and loaded with plague germs. You should go home to your Muzzie friends in Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria now.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2009, 07:06:17 PM »
Just like G-d commanded the Twelve Tribes to dwell apart in Biblical times, thereby each preserving its own unique character and traits whilst still united as one nation under Torah, and according to Ezekiel 48 will again live separately in Messianic times, Ethiopians should live with pride in their own 50,000-person towns in Judea & Samaria, to be named "Kfar Falash", " Kochav Etiyopiya" or "Kiryat Kush",  to be built by their own hands, according to their style, with their own Ethiopian mayors, police, judges, teachers, social services, festivals and shimagle elders.

LOL.   The irony is too thick.   First you said in Messianic times there will be no more "hamites."   And that was supposed to somehow justify not letting in Ethiopians (even if they convert sincerely).   Because afterall 'hamites'  are "bad" and we are trying to bring messiah and messianic times not delay it right?    But now (ignoring for a moment your logical fallacy), all of a sudden, we are IN messianic times according to you, and for that reason, the "12 tribes" (we are not 12 tribes anymore!  We do not know who is who.  We had only 3 known tribes left in Judea at one point), the "12 tribes" as you call it have to live apart from each other, since it is messianic era to you when it's convenient, so therefore if we do let in ethiopians they have to live in their own all-ethiopian towns.  LOL.   But I thought in messianic times you said there are no more blacks.   So which is it?


But now let's address the logical fallacy.

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Just like G-d commanded the Twelve Tribes to dwell apart in Biblical times
  Yes they had different portions in the land, although no one was forbidden to move to different areas, and nowhere in halacha are they forbidden to marry to other tribes in the greater Jewish kingdom.   Can you cite a halacha forbidding it?  hehehe...

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and according to Ezekiel 48 will again live separately in Messianic times,
Interesting, assuming for the moment that Ezekiel does indeed say that, can you see how this does not follow logically from "Just like G-d commanded" ?     Something to follow "Just like G-d commanded," and be a force compelling us to arrange similar circumstances today would be words like "G-d commanded the Jewish people to always divide into tribes when conquering the land of Israel"    But we both know this is not a halachic principle at all.    So of course you could not say that.    What you did say, does not follow logically.    If Ezekiel predicted it, it will come to be, but obviously not in the way you think!    We don't even know what tribes are right now.   Perhaps after we have conquered/liberated all of greater Israel, then we will come to define ourselves again by tribes, based on where people live  even if it is not accurately the "original" tribes that people truly descend from genetically speaking (since we have no idea, and so many are tribally mixed).   That would seem most straightforward, and how that could very likely come true.

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Ethiopians should

This is wishful thinking on your part.    There is no halachic imperative to any of this.   Nor have you cited any.  

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2009, 07:21:16 PM »
KWR, who were/are the real Hamites? The Bible doesn't really talk much about them.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2009, 07:21:50 PM »
Who ever says that I'm Galrat going under another name can take a hike!
Oh give us a damn break. We're not stupid. How much money do you want us to bet that Lisa or Dan Ben Noah will confirm that you are indeed Mifletzet?

You are a rat indeed... you are filthy, stinking, and loaded with plague germs. You should go home to your Muzzie friends in Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria now.

Can you stop saying that I am Galrat!
You are making a bad name for yourself.
Stick to the subject....or stand aside!

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2009, 07:23:27 PM »
Hmmm...

1--you have the exact same typing style
2--you make the exact same arguments
3--you come to the very thread that Rat started, but only after Rat was banned

How defective do you think our BS meters are?

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2009, 07:33:53 PM »
Who ever says that I'm Galrat going under another name can take a hike!
Oh give us a damn break. We're not stupid. How much money do you want us to bet that Lisa or Dan Ben Noah will confirm that you are indeed Mifletzet?

You are a rat indeed... you are filthy, stinking, and loaded with plague germs. You should go home to your Muzzie friends in Arab-occupied Judea and Samaria now.

Can you stop saying that I am Galrat!
You are making a bad name for yourself.
Stick to the subject....or stand aside!

You are galrat, but I agree, let's just refute him rather than "attack" him for being galrat.   Come on, he is easy to refute.   Gets boring after a while.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2009, 07:37:36 PM »
KWR, who were/are the real Hamites? The Bible doesn't really talk much about them.

I think the midrashic literature defines the Hamites as black people.   Because Ham was black.  But that is very general.   It's not really "black."   Because also descending from the Hamites are the Mizrayim (ancient Egyptians), the evil ancient Caananites, the Kushim (african blacks), libyans, etc.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2009, 07:40:36 PM »
Are Hamites all considered to be evil?

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #48 on: August 31, 2009, 07:47:53 PM »
Are Hamites all considered to be evil?

No.

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Re: Rebbe warned about the Ethiopians
« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2009, 07:49:00 PM »
Are Hamites all considered to be evil?

I dont think that is the case... There is a curse on the Hamites because of how Ham dealt with Noah after the flood.

http://www.noahidenations.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=323



A Shameful Curse
Parshat Noach
Adam Penrod


One of the greatest tragedies that I have seen is when the Torah is used, not to illuminate the darkness of this world, but to defend some shameful idea that the Torah really has nothing to do with. One of the most shameful uses of the Torah has been to claim that one of the three great families of humanity is nothing more than a slave to the rest.

I first saw the Torah used to support this view when I was a child in school. While covering slavery in America the teacher mentioned that one of the defenses that many slave owners used to defend their use of the African community, particularly, as slaves was none other than the book of Genesis (Bereishit).

In Parshat Noach we learn that Noach, after finally leaving the ark, planted a grape vine from which he made wine. Noach drank so much wine that he eventually fell asleep. The text tells us that Ham, Noach’s son, found his father naked and went to tell his other brothers about this. Shem and Yapheth, not impressed, took a garment walked in backwards and placed it over their father.

Eventually Noach woke up and “sees” what his youngest son had done.< [1]< Once awake Noach says, “…cursed be Canaan surely a slave he will be to his brothers”< [2]< It is clear that Canaan is cursed to be a slave to his brothers, but what that means is not yet clear.
A Strange Curse

There has always been some wonder at why Canaan was cursed. Concerning the text of the Torah it is unclear that Canaan had anything to do with Noach. All we know is that Ham saw his father’s nakedness, told his brothers, and Noach awoke to curse Canaan. At the very least this is a strange sequence of events.

There are several theories offered to explain this strange event. One theory is that since Ham had already been blessed by God Noach was unable to curse him and so cursed his son instead. This is very strange if Noach were only naked. Cursing someone with slavery for seeing their nakedness does not sound just for someone as righteous as Noach.

There are two primary theories about what happened. The first is that seeing his father’s nakedness Ham had an illicit affair with Noach while he slept. This gruesome scene does not seem to fit with the curse. The punishment must be equal to the crime. The second theory seems more likely. Ham, seeing his father’s nakedness realized that if Noach had another son, a fourth son, that the world would be split between four peoples and not three. Realizing this, Ham thought it best if Noach were not able to produce any more heirs and castrated his father.

As a result Noach cursed Canaan to be a slave to his brothers. A slave does not rule, everything the slave owns is actually the master’s. The reasoning behind this explanation was that just as Ham had castrated his father Noach to prevent a fourth son of Noach from having a share in the world; Noach would curse Ham’s fourth son, therefore preventing him from having a true share in this world.<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[3]<!--[endif]-->
Canaan not Ham

For some reason people jump from the curse of Canaan back to Ham. Instead of only applying Noach’s curse to Canaan, which the Torah seems very clear about, they apply it to all of Ham’s descendants.

The world was divided into three groups, descendants of Shem, Ham and Yapheth. The descendants of Shem were apportioned the near to Middle East regions, Ham’s descendants were given Africa, and Yapheth’s descendants were given the lands to the north around the Mediterranean. There is debate as to whether the Far East went to Yapheth or Shem.  

Canaan went to dwell in Israel—territories belonging to Shem. It is unclear whether this was done of Canaan’s volition or if this were part of his curse or both. Whatever the reasons for Canaan taking control of the land; the territories that were taken over by Canaan did not belong to the descendants of Ham. The land of Canaan should have been the land of Shem!

The Canaanites built up the land of Israel over the centuries until it was finally taken into the possession of the Israelites—the true heirs of Shem! God promised Israel this in the Torah when he said: “And it shall be, when the Lord your God shall have brought you into the land which he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give you great and goodly cities, which you did not build”< [4]< God promised a land to Israel that would be ready for them to move into.
The True Heirs to the Land

The first Rashi in Bereishit asks why the Torah begins in Bereishit rather than later in Exodus with the giving of the first commandment by God to Israel. Rashi’s answer is that it was to serve as an answer to the nations who accused Israel of theft when they took the Land from the Canaanites. The answer was that Bereishit gives the account of God creating the world and therefore he may give the Land to whomever he chooses and take the Land from whom he chooses and give it to another.

The second response to the challenge of the nations against Israel is that the Canaanite nations were slaves to the House of Shem. Israel being the truest heir of Shem (both physically and spiritually) is the masters of the Canaanites. As we said, whatever possessions a slave may possess do not really belong to the slave but to the master. Therefore the Land of Canaan was really the property of Shem and therefore the property of Israel!

The Jewish people’s claim to the land of Israel at the time of the Canaanites was several. First, God being the creator and therefore owner of the Universe could give and take away the land. Second, Canaan did not have a legitimate claim to the Land. They came into and took over Land that rightly belonged to the Shemite families—specifically this Land belonged to Israel as Shem’s chosen heir (chosen by God). Lastly, Canaan as a slave to the house of Shem did not truly possess the land but worked it and built it up. The true ownership of the Land and all that was in it belonging to Israel.
Back to the Point

It may seem that we have strayed from our original discussion. However, it was very important to first establish that Canaan was a family who had been cursed to be slaves to their brothers. It was also important to build from this that the land of Israel (then known as Canaan) legitimately belonged to Israel for the above reasons. Now we may return to the focus of this paper.

Although Canaan was clearly cursed by Noach to be a slave to Shem and Yapheth, this curse had no bearing on the remainder of the Hamitic peoples.  The curse was very specific, only Canaan was cursed. If you will remember we discovered earlier that it was impossible for God to curse Ham because he had already been blessed by God. As such, to go back and then claim that the curse of Canaan some how applied to all of the Hamitic peoples violates this very clear teaching.

Even more to the point, Egypt (called Mitzraim) was the first “Super Power” in the ancient world. Egypt was an African empire begun by the Hamites. It wasn’t until much later in the history of Egypt that it was ruled by Semitic peoples (possibly conquered by Amalek after the Israelites had left Egypt).< [5]<
A Shameful Teaching

The teaching that Hamitic peoples are somehow lesser, a slave people, is very clearly not a teaching of the Torah. Even more, the Rabbis say that due to the mixing of the Nations it is no longer possible to point out Canaanites and therefore the curse of Noach is no longer in effect. This curse, in my opinion, was fulfilled when Israel came into the Land of Canaan, and took possession of the cities, towns and produce, all of which were the work of the Canaanite families.

To attempt to apply this curse to any people today is nothing less than shameful and a complete, and intentional, misreading of the Torah. It is with this in mind that we should all strive for the true teaching of the Torah which is that all peoples are brothers and that our cooperation and striving together with one another is our true aim in life.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14