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Why do Jewish women have to be so Damn Liberal?
saintaugusto:
What bothers me is that Orthodox Jews, with all due respect to them, were scholar and observant, but they were observant in exile, and did almost nothing to reinstate the state of Israel. They were even condemning Zionists some time ago. Now, if you don't like the goyim nation you lived in, you could do two things: a) go back to Israel, b) stop saying that you are more Jewish than others. But they did neither of those.
Thus, my point is - Rely on G-d, but don't screw up yourself.
MarZutra:
--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 17, 2007, 09:54:01 PM ---What bothers me is that Orthodox Jews, with all due respect to them, were scholar and observant, but they were observant in exile, and did almost nothing to reinstate the state of Israel. They were even condemning Zionists some time ago. Now, if you don't like the goyim nation you lived in, you could do two things: a) go back to Israel, b) stop saying that you are more Jewish than others. But they did neither of those.
Thus, my point is - Rely on G-d, but don't screw up yourself.
--- End quote ---
I don't know where you get off saying this stuff quite frankly. Many Orthodox Jews were a part of the Revisionist movement under Jabbotinsky. The only reason you don't hear about them is because Israel and the Jewish Establisment, plus all..or most... of the media is run by the Socialists Left. A good example of their censorship can be noticed now with them trying to take Michael Savage off the air.... You are thinking of the Hassidim not the Orthodox Jews.... Many Orthodox Jews like Rabbi Meir Kahane were fully behind the Religious Zionist camp with Jabbotinsky. I have NEVER said I was more Jewish than anyone else. I have no problem with going back to Israel and I shall do so in the near future. I do more than rely on G-d as we are supposed to do deed as well as faith. Believe me, I am not screwing up myself. As a matter of fact, if you ask my Member of Parliament I'm probably more supportive of Canada as a Christian nation than 99% of most Christians in Canada. So I do not know where you are coming from with these insults..
jdl4ever:
It's not a Jewish women problem, it's a general problem with all women. They tend to be mostly liberal.
As a response to saintaugusto, you shouldn't be so quick to criticize the past generations. 1-Some religious Jews and Rabbis were bigger Zionists that the secular and the Irgun and Haganah which were mostly religious undergound movements were the ones who did the dirty work that liberated Israel. Without them, we might not have a state today. 2-Before the Crusades, thousands of religious Jews lived in Israel but during the Crusades they were driven out or killed. 3-You have no clue what life was like 100 years ago. We are pampered compared to these Jews. They were too busy doing whatever they can to stay alive and make a meager living to support a religious family than to think about taking over Israel, which took months of travel to get to and was basically a barren land with hostile Arabs. Even thought what they did was wrong, you and I would not have done any better. Trust me. For example, I am pretty sure that my great grandfather Zs'l was in Kishenov during the progrom there at the turn of the century. You blame these people who had so much suffering and problems for not taking on a very risky and dangerous venture?
saintaugusto:
I don't blame. I just deem it weird that only Jews were expelled from their homeland so many times and no one else.
What I am suggesting is, instead of dividing Jews into orthodox and reform, conservative and modern, lets unite. There are only 15 million of us left.
We need to unite not based on what Halakha we have, but on the fact that we are children of One G-d and One Land.
That is, the uniting factors must be Faith and Nationalism. And not how religious you are. Trust me, if Israel becomes a safer place for all Jews, orthodox or conservative Jews will become majority sooner or later, thanks to their faith and lifestyle.
So lets not divide something that we dont have yet. Priority now is to save Israel. And for that we have to unite.
saintaugusto:
And coming back to the women issue... In order for women to act like women, men have to act like men. And please don't tell me that Torah doesn't appoint men as superior to women. You don't have to be a Rabbi to figure this out.
Men have to rule and hold at least 51% in a family. Period.
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