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Why do Jewish women have to be so Damn Liberal?
saintaugusto:
And by the way, sorry, if I mislead anyone, I'm not Christian. I'm a Jew (Sephardic+Ashkenazi).
jdl4ever:
--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 18, 2007, 12:47:05 AM ---And coming back to the women issue... In order for women to act like women, men have to act like men. And please don't tell me that Torah doesn't appoint men as superior to women. You don't have to be a Rabbi to figure this out.
Men have to rule and hold at least 51% in a family. Period.
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I agree. Even some religious women don't seem to understand that men are supposed to rule the household.
MarZutra:
You are Jewish? Why do you not study Judaism and Jewish history so you will not have to ask such questions with such an anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, illogical and benighted tone to them? Believe me, I'm no fan of the Government of the State of Israel nor our "Jewish" Organizations as they are not Jewish but Socialist in nature and do a great disservice to morality, Jewry, Israel and any G-d fearing moral abiding individual..
To answer your questions above, aside from Judaism not being a prostylitizing (spelling) religion, Israel was not an Nation that had its goals in building an expansive Empire like the Egyptians, Hittite, Assyrian, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Caliphate, Mongols or even the British. Israel, as per location, sits in the middle of all of these peoples/nations with intentions on expanding their domination so logically the Jews/Israel stood in the way of this expansion and thus, logically, were exiled. Israel, from my understanding was never a military society but one of building internally but always made alliances with any potential enemy to save agaisnt anther expansive enemy as seen with Egypt and Assyria or Babylonia...
Perhaps, if as you say and I happen to agree with, the Jews of then and today had been united in borders, language and culture (from Savage) with real input in a dominant IDF (Defense Force) History might have turned out different as today it would have been different if Israel had annexed out right all the land from the purely defensive war in 1967 and "transfered" all the Muslims...today a fifth column as the Nazi's were in Austria and Czech during WW2. Sadly we still pay the price... PS: logic stems from not only the Torah but Sun Tsu's "The Art of War" and Macciavelli's "The Prince". Logical in fact.
You are largely correct as well about the Patriarchial system as it is also adopted by Christians and Muslims albeit Judaism affords far more liberties to woman than the latter especially Islam. Judaism sees woman and men different but equal under G-d. This is both logical and moral considering simply the biological differences. There are things that women can do better than men logically based upon gender/biology as there are things men can do better than women.....in the vast majority of situations. This is logical and has nothing to do with sexism or "feminism"...etc.
Women in Judaism can be scholors but not Rabbis of which a good example is the Chabud site Www.AskMoses.Com.
Judaism is the only faith that affords women moral and logical rights in its tennents re: Torah-Talmud while all others do not. Islam is the prime example of the reverse as women are comparable to dirt, sin and should be covered.....not seen and not heard...
I am not trying to be rude or disrespectful at all. Should you have any questions please ask. We all learn by asking questions not by blind statements.
Personally, I do not believe you are Jewish at all as per your chosen name "Saintaugusto". Should you be Jewish than pose questions concerning what you have learned and wish to either have validation or an ulternative logic/thought supplied. If you are Christian than do the same. If you are a member of StørmFrønt or some ignoramus anti-semitic ultra-Leftist group....please say so and then we can get this debate on and over with as painlessly as possible as I do not tolerate intolerance and I am very closed minded to closed mindedness.... I hope you understand my concern and my logic.... :)
Shlomo:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on May 18, 2007, 02:18:58 AM ---
--- Quote from: saintaugusto on May 18, 2007, 12:47:05 AM ---And coming back to the women issue... In order for women to act like women, men have to act like men. And please don't tell me that Torah doesn't appoint men as superior to women. You don't have to be a Rabbi to figure this out.
Men have to rule and hold at least 51% in a family. Period.
--- End quote ---
I agree. Even some religious women don't seem to understand that men are supposed to rule the household.
--- End quote ---
This is not Jewish thinking.
If we look at the story of creation, we see that after the human being has been created, G-d determines that the human being needs "a helpmate" but Eve isn't created yet. Instead, all the animals are created and Adam is asked to name them. And then it says something very strange in the Bible, "... but for Adam no fitting helpmate was found." Why on earth does is say this? What lesson is there to learn?
Why wasn't Adam happy with an animal for a helpmate? Because an animal is subordinate to man. It's not his equal. Adam was commanded earlier to "Have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." So Adam couldn't overcome his loneliness and find true love with a subordinate being over whom he ruled.
The Bible says this helpmate is to be "kenegdo". The Hebrew word kenegdo means "against, opposite, parallel to." Although the passage is often mistranslated in English as "I will make a fitting helpmate for him," the Hebrew ACTUALLY says, "I will make a fitting helpmate *against* him." G-d intends that Adam's helpmate be someone who (in a very positive, respectful way) will stand opposite him and engage him on parallel ground.
An animal may be a great thing to help Adam out with his work but because they are subordinate, he can't truly love them. You can't love without that type of mutual respect.
MarZutra:
Very good response Jeffguy...
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