Why do Jewish women have to be so Damn Liberal?

[MarZutra]

The VAST majority of Jewish women I've had the misfortune to converse with have very little knowledge of Judaism, limited self respect and cater to each and every lie of Liberalism especially Feminism.  I, for one, am totally revolted by this.  There is nothing more of a turn off than a Liberal/Socialist/Communist woman especially one who is "Jewish"...   

Any thoughts?

[mord]

Yes it's true

[Lisa]

That's true.  But the same thing could also be said of many Jewish men.  I had one guy I met on Jdate tell me I was "scary."

[mord]

That's true.  But the same thing could also be said of many Jewish men.  I had one guy I met on Jdate tell me I was "scary."

Jdate i'm on there 85% of women on there are complete leftists

[Sarah]

Its mainly PROBABLY because women like adopting a gentle view and opinion. Seemingly basing their opinions to suit both sides and make things fair. They would see abuse as evil, despite the reason. Therefore a right-wing sided opinion deems intolerably hateful for them.
I used  To have a very liberal viewpoint. Disapproving of war and tolerating everything. This is NOT the way forward. Saying this shows that you are only judging the surface of a problem and not reckoning the solution.

[RationalThought110]

Which denomination do they consider themselves to be a part of? 

[RationalThought110]

Its mainly PROBABLY because women like adopting a gentle view and opinion. Seemingly basing their opinions to suit both sides and make things fair. They would see abuse as evil, despite the reason. Therefore a right-wing sided opinion deems intolerably hateful for them.
I used  To have a very liberal viewpoint. Disapproving of war and tolerating everything. This is NOT the way forward. Saying this shows that you are only judging the surface of a problem and not reckoning the solution.

What you describe is a very ignorant viewpoint that organizations like CAIR use to try and carry out their agenda.  Remember, Keith Ellision received campaign funding from CAIR.  CAIR supports terrorist groups. 


Many liberals think that Jews are the cause of all the problems in the world. 


Many Jews try to bring their ultra-liberal politics into Judaism by advocating for homosexual marriage, homosexual rabbis, abortion, etc.   

[MarZutra]

It is so sad.  The entire civilized world, whether one likes it or not, was basically founded on the ethical teaching of the Torah, whether it be via Judaism or Christianity.....so why do these "Jews" disrespect morality so?  I don't understand how people can cater to hedonism, lies, deceit and every ineptitude against self worth that Liberalism/Socialism etc. profess? 

I was on JDate, JCupid, JLove and had so many bad experiences I have given up.  Yaacov, I agree with you 2000%.....just ONE.... 

[jdl4ever]

It does not matter so much.  Women are generally not very much into politics and choose whatever is portrayed in the media so most identify themselves as liberal.  Forget about finding a Kahanist woman, there are none (OK maybee 10 in the whole US).  I'll take any religious Torah abiding woman even if she is not as right wing as me as long as she respects my beliefs as well. 

[Fruit of thy loins]

The only women who are consistently pro-their own people are black women.

We should be grateful to have any white women at all. 

[MarZutra]

The only women who are consistently pro-their own people are black women.

We should be grateful to have any white women at all. 

True, sad but funny....  I see women, in majority, very naive in that the vast majority of propaganda and disinformantion passed as "fact" by our "educational" system, media etc. one good example is Feminism, "multiculturalism", "tolerance", "open minded", "progressive"...etc..  It is a very sad reality but women cater to this far more than men.  I find that most women do not think for themselves but are very willing to partake in this collectivist mentality.....

[TheCoon]

I take offense to Sara's notion that women take a "gentile" approach. Jewish women are more liberal than gentile women on the whole. Perhaps it's the other way around?

I think the fact women are more liberal stems from the fact they are driven by emotions more than men. When a problem arises, women tend to look for emotional support as opposed to problem solving. Liberal ideas, on the surface, provide an easy way out and don't require hard work like conservative ones. Conservatives solve problems while liberals put a bandaid on them.

[Lisa]

I take offense to Lisa's notion that women take a "gentile" approach. Jewish women are more liberal than gentile women on the whole. Perhaps it's the other way around?

Whoa!  Go back and read the threads Thunderbolt.  It looks like you have me confused with Sarah.  I never said anything about Jewish women taking a "gentile" or "gentle" approach to life.  However, I will agree with you that women are generally more emotional than men. 

[TheCoon]

I take offense to Lisa's notion that women take a "gentile" approach. Jewish women are more liberal than gentile women on the whole. Perhaps it's the other way around?

Whoa!  Go back and read the threads Thunderbolt.  It looks like you have me confused with Sarah.  I never said anything about Jewish women taking a "gentile" or "gentle" approach to life.  However, I will agree with you that women are generally more emotional than men. 

:O I'm so sorry, Lisa!! My post has been edited again. See what happens when you don't get enough sleep! 

[leo]

Why doesn't JTF expose who the real Betty Friedan is. She actually is not a lesbian feminist. More like a communist feminsts. She supported Joseph Stalin. She had 9 grandchildren all her followers had zero. Many Jewish women including Orthodox Jewish women think she was an OK women that just wanted a career which isn't true.

More Jewish women then Jewish men are liberal. Among Jewish men about 30% consider themselves republican. Among Jewish women it is 12%. Those are still bad numbers for both genders but more men do conisder themselves republican. Among men and women under 30 by the way is the biggest gap between men and women who consider themselves republican.

Again though as long as the community lets young Jewish women be brainwashed by feminism and not tell them the truth about the real roots of feminism and how most feminist in the end wish somebody had told the truth earlier. Furthermore, no Jewish newspapers even mentions the gener gap. They will tell you that more young people (although it is mostly men) vote republican, the religious, and Russians. They will not tell you that more men vote Republican.I only found this out by the way from a liberal Jewish newspaper the gender gap. None of the so called consevative Jewish newspapers ever mention it. Jewish women can vote liberal all they want because none of the so called conservative newspapers will ever mention it.

By the way JDL more women are involved politically then you think. In the last election 54% of who voted were actually women.

[MarZutra]

I'll have to admit that I am very ignorant to who Betty Friedan is to be quite honest but I do relate to the rest of your post to be quite truthful.  The sad fact is that there is little to now education offered within any medium media, social services and especially not academia to educate peoples as to what the various political ideologies mean or their respective histories.  Combine this with the masses of "politically correct" disinformation continually promulgated by those mediums the result is what we see today.

Women tend to be more active then men as I fear minority groups will grow ever more quickly in the future as Ol-Whitey continues to become disgruntled, voiceless and powerless in todays highly controlled world.  These aforementioned segments of society have become political focus groups.  Even the Global Warming agenda is now targeting women and minorities. 

The Feminist movement from its very inception was a product of the Communist thought and political process.  The entire movement of the Left is based on Utopian mythology, disinformation and of course a power agenda.  It is all about self gratification and power.

There is a very good website that you might like and I feel contains very important information that people should know.  Hell even Karl Marx is still taught as being an economic genius even though all of his claims in Das Kapital have been debunked too neglecting to mention his deprave personal life and his even more vile political/social beliefs.  Enjoy:  http://www.paulbogdanor.com/left.html

[RationalThought110]

"Furthermore, no Jewish newspapers even mentions the gener gap. They will tell you that more young people (although it is mostly men) vote republican, the religious, and Russians. They will not tell you that more men vote Republican.I only found this out by the way from a liberal Jewish newspaper the gender gap. None of the so called consevative Jewish newspapers ever mention it. Jewish women can vote liberal all they want because none of the so called conservative newspapers will ever mention it." 


Can you clarify yourself? 

[Fruit of thy loins]

It sounds like some Jewish women have become too 'white'.  Whiteness is a real mental disorder which can cause an intense reaction of nausea and self-alienation towards oneself, because white culture is so depraved.  The Jewish women must have been whitened as a result of assimilation.

[saintaugusto]

I think that what you are saying is primarily present among Ashkenazi women. If I’m not mistaken, unlike Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews raise girls as a guy should be raised and vice versa. That’s how you have got so many so-called Jewish (or mama’s) boys.

However, such thing does happen universally when men fail to act manly.
In Jewish history, failure of Jewish men to die for their homeland and, in general, take any risk, lead women to become stronger.

[MarZutra]

I think that what you are saying is primarily present among Ashkenazi women. If I’m not mistaken, unlike Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews raise girls as a guy should be raised and vice versa. That’s how you have got so many so-called Jewish (or mama’s) boys.

However, such thing does happen universally when men fail to act manly.
In Jewish history, failure of Jewish men to die for their homeland and, in general, take any risk, lead women to become stronger.

I totally disagree with this position as with Fruit.  The fact of the matter is..this entire ineptitude stems from Socialism.  This is also why the attendance at Church is plummiting and Churches are going of for sale on a record number all over the West.  It is the "progressive" educational system, the debauched media the screwed up Social System and destroyed family.  Most of these "Jewish" people are descendants of Orthodox Jews who built businesses and the children have taken on the culture of the "progressive" goyim and have become Reform "Jews".  This is not really a Goyim issue but a Socialist Issue that many Gentile and Jew alike have been taken in. 

The glorification of Shvartism is repugnant to any thinking person...  sadly jews and gentile alike are sucked in to "embracing diversity".  It is all a part of "multi-culturalism" the socialist agenda to distroy culture by promoting all others but their own....

[saintaugusto]

Well, my friend, I think, what you said could be an interesting option, unless one important issue. In Soviet Union, there were predominantly "Christian" Republics and predominantly Muslim Republics. Ashkenazi Jews lived primarily in Christian Republics and Sephardics lived in Muslim Republics, and guess what, the level of Jewishness was higher among those who lived with Muslims. Even those few Ashkenazi Jews who lived in the Muslim South were more conservative.

So it's both ethnical and habitat reasons. And by the way, saying that socialism is more feministic culture than capitalism is a slight unawareness of what socialism is.

[saintaugusto]

This is also why the attendance at Church is plummiting and Churches are going of for sale on a record number all over the West.

I think, the situation with Christianity is way different from the problems of Western Jewry. There are too many factors to list in this forum.

G-d willing, one day we will all sit down and talk about it in a much broader and lively format.

[MarZutra]

Now that I agree with.  You do know that in the Soviet Communist Russia most of the Christian and Jewish leaders were thrown into the Gulags and had their churches turned into grain storage chambers, looted of their riches and sold to the west for farm machinery, weapons, Ford trucks.  Dr. Antony Sutton writes at great lengths about this.  I'd agree that religion thrived covertley but many Christians and Jews tragically either embraced the G-dless utopianism, were murdered or worked to death (same as murdered).  You will also note that the Chief "Rabbi" and head Synagogue in Moscow was a KGB operation used to infiltrate and distroy the Jewish Community.  Chaim often speaks about this as did Rabbi Kahane.

My great grand parents fled Tzarist Russia during the 1880's pogroms to England before the Communist Revolution.  Russian Orthodoxy is making a come back but G0dless Communism/Socialism is still the ideology of choice recorded with record numbers of aids, drug and alcohol related deaths, record suicide, murder and internal strife....  What a vile ideology...

I do not see the problems between Western Jewry and Christianity that much different.  They are both under constant attack from within and outside by "Reform" or "Progressive" thoughts from the internal like "Priests", "Ministers", "Reverands" and "Rabbis" for Same Sex Marriage, Feminism, Abortion, Affirmative Action and every Socialistic cause.  Combine this with the 24 hour a day attacks by the Media, Liberal politicians and professional (Communist) Lobby/Agitator groups, "Progressive" Educational Systems indoctrinating children from the womb to the grave with Socialistic "Poltically correct" disinformation....  I see them both very much related. 

You must be Christian no?  If you are Christian you will very much enjoy the book "Fabian Freeway" by Rose Martin or perhaps many of the interviews with Dr. Stanley Monteith on Radio Liberty he deals with this sort of stuff weekly.  Rose Martin's work is amazing as too "The Rise of Radicalism", but Martin's book delves into the British Fabian Society and its expansion into all of the old British Colonies of the former British Empire with the purpose of exporting subversivly Socialism.  It mentions "The Christian Book Club" started by the Fabians (one of many but earlier started by the reading society in Germany in the 1760's: RE: "Proofs of Conspricay" - John Robbins) who hired/membered many phony Revs, Mins, Priests etc. to rewrite the Bible making it more "Socialistic" and too writing/rewriting many Christian texts/books/fiction etc. aimed at progressing the Socialist principals onto the benighted Christian readers....  of course this was just one step being part of a much more grand scheme still haunting us today... very good examples are the ACLU, CFR, NAACP, British Labor Party and of course their Socialist propagation medium the BBC...all connected to the British Fabian Society..

Those books will provide much needed knowledge to understand the Christian "Decline of the West" and place the religous, cultural, economic, civil, family and of course national breakdown we see today from a Christian perspective.  Now if you wish to learn about the, as tragic, Jewish breakdown I'd strongly suggest three books: "To Eliminate the Opiate" by Rabbi Dr. Marvin S. Antelman (this book shows the communist/utopianists/secret society/occult movements that are working to undermine and distroy Judaism similarly to the Fabians, Jacobins, Rosicrucians, Christan Peace Makers, Christian Science and even Mormonism is today with Christianity division into 24000 "sects".)  "From Time Immemorial" - Joan Peters and "Perfidy" - Ben Hecht which is available for free on the web from "Somebodyhelpme.Info"

[saintaugusto]

OK. Not going too deep into the problems of Christianity, I can say one thing - the first reform Jew was Jesus. Obviously, when you customize religion to meet your specific needs, the people who will later beleive in you will likely do the same with your edition of the religion. This happened to Christianity. Instead of people adapting to the law, the law was changed to adapt the people.

I can assure you that despite the KGB's involvement in "religios affairs" in Soviet Union, a lot of people to a diferent extent were trying to remain conservative and even religious; especially in the Muslim South. And I can tell you that in some way Jews have to be thankful to Muslims for helping them preserve the core principles of their culture.

Now, let's come back to the issue of women.

What I am trying to tell you is that Ashkenazi women, and even men do not accept patriarchy and have never accepted it. That is the core conflict with Jewish religion and philosophy.

As a brotherly advise, unless you are an alpha man, do not waste your time with non-religios Ashkenazi women. Your only choice is either religios Ashkenazi girls or Sephardic girls.

[MarZutra]

OK. Not going too deep into the problems of Christianity, I can say one thing - the first reform Jew was Jesus. Obviously, when you customize religion to meet your specific needs, the people who will later beleive in you will likely do the same with your edition of the religion. This happened to Christianity. Instead of people adapting to the law, the law was changed to adapt the people.

I can assure you that despite the KGB's involvement in "religios affairs" in Soviet Union, a lot of people to a diferent extent were trying to remain conservative and even religious; especially in the Muslim South. And I can tell you that in some way Jews have to be thankful to Muslims for helping them preserve the core principles of their culture.

Now, let's come back to the issue of women.

What I am trying to tell you is that Ashkenazi women, and even men do not accept patriarchy and have never accepted it. That is the core conflict with Jewish religion and philosophy.

As a brotherly advise, unless you are an alpha man, do not waste your time with non-religios Ashkenazi women. Your only choice is either religios Ashkenazi girls or Sephardic girls.

Firstly, Jesus was a Pharasee (Rabbinical) Jew.  Jesus would have been an Orthodox Jew and well learned in both Torah and the Oral Law not a deformed (Reform) Jew.  All credable evidence places this issue in the earliest texts by Josephus Flavus which was obviously a distortion to carry favor with the now Christianized Romans. 

The Laws are and always did stay the same and were never changed as the Torah states.  To this day, not one word is changed in the Orthodox Hebrew Torah.  If there is any mistake made upon the part of the scribe the entire scroll is blessed and distroyed.  When the Torah is out of use it is blessed and burried.  The Torah states any changes or persons trying to change the Law is a false G-d and a false Messiah.  I beleive it is in the vacinity of Exodus 20. 

What you have stated above is totally Christianity and nothing whatsoever dealing with Judaism.  Abraham Geiger was the founder of Deformed Judaism, not Jesus.  One might argue that the Hellenist rot during the time of Yahuda HaMaccabee were the first Deformed "Jews" due to their embracing Hellenism instead of Torah Judaism.

The only thing that Jews have to thank the Muslim horde for is oppression, forced converstion, sub-human taxation and treatment, exploitation when they need something, rape or murder.  The Jews kept their core values because of Torah not because of any greasy Muslims.  Any study of the Pale or Jewish history by any respectable author displays this.  Christians, later too suffered similarly to the Jews at the hands of the Muslims...and still do today...

Sorry brother but you know nothing about Judaism my friend.  We where the ones who gave women their rights and treated them with equality under G-d while all others were burning them, tossing them down wells when births happened to be female, exploiting them for sex slavery or worse.  The issue you mention about the Patriarchial system was too adopted by Christianity and too distorted.  I know of no female popes or any females to attain any respectful position in the Christian Church aside from a Nun.  What you speak is solely the product of these, any women as it relates to Christian women as well... is their abandonment of morality, G-d and his teachings for G-dless liberalism and its materialist philosophy.  Again nothing to do with Judaism... 

Your advice is spot on as it relates to all women not Ashkenazism or Sephardim or Gentile....  A religious woman knows her place under HaShem as do religious men. 

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