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Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« on: October 08, 2009, 03:17:31 PM »
Netanyahu asked at the last UN session:

"What side are you on: Israel or Terrorists?"

Here is Swedish answer:

Swedish FM Backs Goldstone Report
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133761

by Maayana Miskin
(IsraelNN.com) Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt expressed support for the controversial Goldstone Report on Thursday. The report, in which Israel is accused of war crimes in connection to the Cast Lead counterterror offensive, is an “independent” and “serious” investigation that should be taken seriously by the world, he told Swedish Radio.

Bildt also gave his backing to Goldstone on a personal level, praising the South African judge's “credibility” and “integrity.”

The report should be discussed in the United Nations Human Rights Council, Bildt said. The UN Security Council said Wednesday that it would not hold an emergency session on the report, as requested by Libya, but would move up a monthly meeting on the Middle East to October 14 and allow the report to be discussed then.

Israel did not cooperate with Goldstone's investigation, fearing that the UN delegation was biased against Israel and would not accurately portray the Gaza conflict. Bildt described Israel's lack of cooperation as “a mistake.”

Israel Weighs Recalling Ambassador
Israeli officials, who have rejected the Goldstone report as biased and inaccurate, responded to Bildt's interview by accusing the Swedish FM of lacking “reading comprehension skills.” The report's bias is clear to anyone who reads it, they said.

On Thursday evening, the Hebrew-language daily Yediot Aharonot reported that Israel is considering recalling its ambassador to Sweden. “We have no interest in clashing with Sweden, but the time has come to reassess our relationship,” explained Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon.

Bildt Refused to Condemn Blood Libel
Bildt last clashed with Israel's Foreign Ministry less than two months ago, when he refused to condemn an article in the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet that accused Israeli soldiers of shooting Arabs and harvesting their organs. Israeli officials slammed the article as a modern-day blood libel.

At the time, Bildt argued that criticizing the article would deal a blow to freedom of speech and freedom of the press.


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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 03:19:06 PM »
Never forget Raoul Wallenberg.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 03:19:58 PM »
This has a lot to do with oil dependence. Oil Whores.  >:(
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 03:22:20 PM »
In WWII Sweden was the main source of German iron ore.

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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 03:22:29 PM »
Never forget Raoul Wallenberg.

Right, Wallenberg was a hero. May his memory be blessed.
Also, we should not forget that Danish Jews found shelter in Sweden during the Holocaust.

But times and epochs are changing.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 03:26:30 PM »
In WWII Sweden was the main source of German iron ore.

That was important, but not the most. What could Sweden do against Germans? So should we judge countries because of their past? What about then, Czechslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Italy and etc?

Raoul Wallenberg saved 100 000 Hungarian Jews. G-d bless him. He cannot be forgotten!
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 03:27:19 PM »
Never forget Raoul Wallenberg.

Right, Wallenberg was a hero. May his memory be blessed.
Also, we should not forget that Danish Jews found shelter in Sweden during the Holocaust.

But times and epochs are changing.

The Swedish right wing supports Israel, and I'm sure that there are many Raoul Wallenberg in present days too.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 03:32:13 PM »
Never forget Raoul Wallenberg.

Right, Wallenberg was a hero. May his memory be blessed.
Also, we should not forget that Danish Jews found shelter in Sweden during the Holocaust.

But times and epochs are changing.

The Swedish right wing supports Israel, and I'm sure that there are many Raoul Wallenberg in present days too.

I hope so. Also Sabaton Metal band is pro-Israeli :)

I'm not going to judge the people of Sweden. Only G-d would do that objectively.

I focus on the official policy of present-day Sweden which is very anti-Israeli/antisemitic.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 03:34:36 PM »
That was important, but not the most. What could Sweden do against Germans? So should we judge countries because of their past? What about then, Czechslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Italy and etc?

I was going to demonstrate why Sweden's present behavior makes perfect historical sense for it. It has a Nazi past. BTW, Sweden didn't have no choice. Sweden was a "neutral" nation that was never occupied by Germany. It was not forced to give the Nazis iron.

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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 03:35:25 PM »
Never forget Raoul Wallenberg.

Right, Wallenberg was a hero. May his memory be blessed.
Also, we should not forget that Danish Jews found shelter in Sweden during the Holocaust.

But times and epochs are changing.

The Swedish right wing supports Israel, and I'm sure that there are many Raoul Wallenberg in present days too.

I hope so. Also Sabaton Metal band is pro-Israeli :)

I'm not going to judge the people of Sweden. Only G-d would do that objectively.

I focus on the official policy of present-day Sweden which is very anti-Israeli/antisemitic.

I meant Bonesfan. Sweden didn't have choose. Look what Germany did with Netherlands or with Denmark. In spite of that Dutch and Danish people were Germanic the Nazis captured them.

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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 03:37:02 PM »
That was important, but not the most. What could Sweden do against Germans? So should we judge countries because of their past? What about then, Czechslovakia, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Italy and etc?

I was going to demonstrate why Sweden's present behavior makes perfect historical sense for it. It has a Nazi past. BTW, Sweden didn't have no choice. Sweden was a "neutral" nation that was never occupied by Germany. It was not forced to give the Nazis iron.

If Sweden hadn't supported Germany with economy, the nazis would have attacked them. By the way 90% of the Swedish antisemitics are from the left side.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2009, 03:37:30 PM »
The Swedish right wing supports Israel

Is there an article about it? Or a website of such a party/movement?
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2009, 03:40:31 PM »
The Swedish right wing supports Israel

Is there an article about it? Or a website of such a party/movement?

There was an article (a Swedish leftside newspaper charged Israel a few weeks ago, do you remember?) and the right wing was against it. I'm not defending their past, but Sweden had and I'm sure still has great antifascist and pro-Jewish people! Raoul Wallenberg is a key politician for the Hungarian Jews. We will never forget him.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2009, 03:46:34 PM »
There was an article (a Swedish leftside newspaper charged Israel a few weeks ago, do you remember?)
Yes I remember. That blood libel was taken very bitterly in Israel. The worst thing was not the article itself but the reaction of this scum FM Carl Bildt who DEFENDED it. 

Raoul Wallenberg is a key politician for the Hungarian Jews. We will never forget him.
Yes. And his end was very tragic. Soviet NKVD hijacked and murdered him.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2009, 03:49:34 PM »
There was an article (a Swedish leftside newspaper charged Israel a few weeks ago, do you remember?)
Yes I remember. That blood libel was taken very bitterly in Israel. The worst thing was not the article itself but the reaction of this scum FM Carl Bildt who DEFENDED it. 

Raoul Wallenberg is a key politician for the Hungarian Jews. We will never forget him.
Yes. And his end was very tragic. Soviet NKVD hijacked and murdered him.

He was a martyr.

So I think not Sweden is the biggest problem nowdays. We should not attack them so much. Majority of them are not antisemitics, and present day the antisemitism comes from the left wing, and it is very important.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2009, 03:53:00 PM »
Peter, most anti-Semites period are from the left, both historically and presently. The original Nazis themselves were radical socialists who added racial ideology to original Marxism, which was anti-Semitic to begin with.

Germany could not have occupied and enslaved Sweden throughout the war like it did Denmark. Denmark was a very tiny country with almost no landmass, located directly on the northern border of Germany sticking out into the ocean, so it was pretty helpless. Norway was a much larger and farther country, but Germany was  able to occupy it largely because of widespread collaboration and support for the Reich on the part of Norwegians (ever heard of Vikdun Quisling?).

The Third Reich would not have been able to take on the populous, advanced, militarily ready nation of Sweden because it was being bled dry from all the other wars that it started (with the Soviet Union, Britain, and the United States). Occupying Sweden would have taken thousands of precious Nazi soldiers away from the vital Russian, North African, and Italian fronts (not to mention aircraft, at a time when the Allies were increasingly establishing total air superiority over Europe).

Sweden did business with the Reich because it wanted to, plain and simple.

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2009, 03:54:22 PM »
So I think not Sweden is the biggest problem nowdays. We should not attack them so much. Majority of them are not antisemitics, and present day the antisemitism comes from the left wing, and it is very important.

With all due respect, when the Foreign Minister of a country believes and supports the blood libel against Israeli soldiers I must protest. I agree that leftism and Islamism are main sources of antisemitism today, and both of these plagues have strong positions in Sweden today.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2009, 03:55:54 PM »
With all due respect, when the Foreign Minister of a country believes and supports the blood libel against Israeli soldiers I must protest. I agree that leftism and Islamism are main sources of antisemitism today, and both of these plagues have strong positions in Sweden today.

Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia have always been far-left, hardcore socialist states. They don't even have freedom of speech. It is against the law to criticize homosexuality there for example.

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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2009, 04:03:01 PM »
With all due respect, when the Foreign Minister of a country believes and supports the blood libel against Israeli soldiers I must protest. I agree that leftism and Islamism are main sources of antisemitism today, and both of these plagues have strong positions in Sweden today.

Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia have always been far-left, hardcore socialist states. They don't even have freedom of speech. It is against the law to criticize homosexuality there for example.

Yes, and this is the ideal environment for the Islamist expansion which is well underway in Sweden. I think one of the main reasons of Swedish hostility toward Israel is an attempt to appease local Muslims.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2009, 04:03:44 PM »
I also said that antisemitism comes/came from the left wing, but we shouldn't judge a full nation because of a socialist government. I have met some Swedish people, all of them were antifascists, and pro-Jews. The what would happen questions if... are very hards. I still think that Sweden had / has true people like Raoul Wallenberg was (he was very important in the history of Hungarian Jews) and not Sweden is the biggest problem right now.

PS: What about Germany then? Not Sweden murdered 6 million Jews.
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Re: Sweden has chosen the side of terrorists
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2009, 04:06:57 PM »
Most of Europe was complicit in the murder of six million Jews, whether passively or actively.

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2009, 04:09:13 PM »
I also said that antisemitism comes/came from the left wing, but we shouldn't judge a full nation because of a socialist government. I have met some Swedish people, all of them were antifascists, and pro-Jews. The what would happen questions if... are very hards. I still think that Sweden had / has true people like Raoul Wallenberg was (he was very important in the history of Hungarian Jews) and not Sweden is the biggest problem right now.

On global scope you are right but Swedish hostily toward Israel is outrageous. Israel is considering its further relations with Sweden now. Again, we are not judging Swedish people here but the policy of its current government.  

Do you understand that such behavior of a respected civilizen European country can make a dangerous precedent which can lead to international isolation of the Jewish state?
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2009, 04:15:01 PM »
There were very few righteous Swedes in WWII. Raoul Wallenberg was one of the very few good Swedes. He was a Swedish diplomat who risked his freedom by pretending, on orders from the Swedish government, to be taking in 14,000 Hungarian Jews. As a result of this threat (the Germans had to listen to Sweden because they needed their iron to keep coming), those 14,000 Hungarian Jews were saved.

Later on, for his trouble he was executed by the Soviet Nazis. May G-d avenge this righteous Gentile's blood.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2009, 04:19:28 PM »
May the sky abouve Carl Bildt be like iron and the earth like ore! He has neither compassion for his own fellow countrymen nor for the poor suffering Jews in Israel.

I detest this kind of people, who are able to expierience the real nature of extremist Islam daily, but whose wicked satanic anti-semitism is stronger than their common sense and their love to G-d (if they have this at all).

Pfui!

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Pheasant, Raoul Wallenberg really was one of the few good Swedes. He was a Swedish diplomat who risked his freedom by pretending, on orders from the Swedish government, to be taking in 14,000 Hungarian Jews. As a result of this threat (the Germans had to listen to Sweden because they needed their iron to keep coming), those 14,000 Hungarian Jews were saved.

Later on, for his trouble he was executed by the Soviet Nazis.

We don't know an exact number, 10 000 - 100 000 were saved.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2009, 04:40:11 PM »
Let's delete our messages about this misunderstanding. It was an obvious typo

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