WHO are those black israelites ?!? they say that they are the real JEWS

[proud2bJEW]

they say that they are the real jews ?!
and they are soo anti -semit WHY??
they also saying that they are from the JACOB tribes and that jacob was a BLACK persone >>
im not a racist ..but still the not nice poepel  and they say jesus was black and that white poepel are from ESAU desendant lol >>??
if someone have an answer please THX
;O)

[Confederate Kahanist]

These are blacks that are just jealous of the Jews so they try to fabricate lies that blacks were the inventors and the scientists while whites, Asians and Jews are savages that stole everything from them. 

[mord]

proud where are you from

[proud2bJEW]

proud where are you from

FL
why?

[mord]

Just asking they have them in fla also

[proud2bJEW]

Just asking they have them in fla also

not so much but still i askd a few blacks and they saying that they are the real one and we are the FAKES
and + i saw it on YOUTUBE too ..
damm they are soo bad poepel
they denied the shoa too

[proud2bJEW]

Just asking they have them in fla also

not so much but still i askd a few blacks and they saying that they are the real one and we are the FAKES
and + i saw it on YOUTUBE too ..
damm they are soo bad poepel
they denied the shoa too

BTW do you have a YOUTUBE ACCOUNT??? youll see what they send me

[Confederate Kahanist]

Just asking they have them in fla also

Hell I think they have them around ATL where I live.

[muman613]

The Jews were not Black... It is clear in the Torah... Moses wife was Black but thats about all we know... In Torah the black race is called Cushites, and they are relagated to being slaves to the other races. Hashem cursed their forefather after the incident after the flood.

These Black HeFros are frauds from the get-go...

None of the great Torah sages was Black...

Besides black is evil in Jewish belief...

[Dr. Dan]

Those black "hebros" are nothing more than gorillas that escaped from the zoo...

[muman613]

http://bible.ort.org/books/glosd1.asp?action=displayanchor&glosid=G171
Cush, Cushites   
Cush (Hebrew: 'black') was a grandson of Noah and the eldest son of Ham. He was the father of Nimrod. He is considered in Hebrew tradition to be the ancestor of the Cushites, who were a Negro tribe that settled below Egypt, possibly in Nubia, modern Sudan. The word is later treated as synonymous with Ethiopia, but modern scholarship suggests that the Cushites referred to in Genesis 10:8 were Cossaeans, living in the mountain region between Elam and Midia, rather than African Cushites.

[muman613]

It is true that there are Ethiopian Jews and they have been found to be real black Jews...

This article discusses that topic:

http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/1817

Dear Christopher,

Regarding your question as to where the Lost Tribes were exiled, we saw in the previous installment that according to our sources they were exiled south to Ethiopia, and East through Syria, Iraq, Iran, and as far as India. [This should not be confused with those Jews who settled these lands much later, after the Exile in Roman times]. In addition, while discussing whether the Tribes will be re-united with the Jewish people in the future (which will be brought in detail in the next installment), Tiferet Israel (Sanhedrin 10:3) mentions that there are remnants of the Tribes living in Afghanistan and China as well.

Lets explore who and where these Tribes are today, and whether they and their customs are Jewish:

The Jews of Ethiopia are from Northwestern Ethiopia bordering Sudan. They call themselves "Beta Israel" (House of Israel), claim to be from the tribe of Dan, and number about 500,000 (most currently live in Israel). In Ethiopia, they preserved authentic Jewish beliefs and practices, including belief in the G-d of Israel, His oneness, Jews as the Chosen People, Torah from Sinai, Reward and Punishment, Redemption, Messiah and Return to Zion. Their texts include: Torah (Orit), Prophets, Laws of Sambet (Sabbath), and Prayer book. They maintain strict Sabbath observance. For example, women prepare Sabbath food only after immersing in a mikve, work stops midday Friday, no fire is used to keep food warm, but they use candles for light, all work is forbidden, and they even wear a special Sabbath robe with no belt to prevent tying.

They pray 3 times a day morning, noon, dusk while facing Jerusalem, have certain blessings and observe Torah based Holidays such as Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkoth, Passover, and Shavuoth - when only work to prepare food is permitted. They eat only meat from kosher animals and perform ritual slaughter while turning the animals head toward Jerusalem and reciting a blessing. The blood is covered, the meat is salted to remove blood, and forbidden sinews and fats are removed. Meat and milk are not cooked together, but poultry is not considered meat for this purpose. They greatly emphasize ritual purity and their villages are always near a river for immersion. They purify from contact with dead after 7 days, sprinkling on the 3rd and 7th day with water from ashes of a red heifer. Menstruating women move to a separate tent for 7 days until immersion.

The "Beta Israel" of Ethiopia are generally considered Jewish. The great halachic authority, Rabbi David ben Zimra (Israel, 1500s) wrote: "Those that come from the land of Cush (Ethiopia) are without doubt from the tribe of Dan, and because they did not have scholars of the Oral Law living with them they follow the superficial understanding of the Torah. But if they were taught, they would not reject the rabbinic teachings. Therefore it is a mitzvah to save them and support them" (Shut HaRadbaz 1:5, 1:7). Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, (Yabia Omer 8, Even HaEzer 11) also considers them Jewish without a doubt. Other poskim are unsure, and suggest that they undergo conversion to dispel any doubts.

...

[HEBREWHONOR]

"black hebrews"  are a christian originated cult who belive that their ancestors were the hebrews of the bible , influenced by christian ideas and seeking a way to form their own type of christianity more feating their pro black ideas , they invented this concept , when they learnt that actuall "hebrews" do exist out there , they started calling them "fakes" .

they belive in black supremecy and hate white people , they do however like muslims ( in one of their churches there is a painting of a muslim "messiah" killing the white pope ,for exemple )

they belive that there will be a racial war in the future, and they belive that only someone with black ancestors will be allowed to live after it (cause obviously they belive they can win)


they are Pretty gay ...

there is a small number of them living in israel (they came when the country was formed and for some reason they wern't kicked out )  most of them live in dimona

rabbi meir kahane alav hashalom hy"d did a huge demonstration against them when he came to live in israel

some of them actually converted into real judaism  , a singer of the community who converted to judaism reprisented israel in the eurovision contest few years ago

muman - actually noah cursed canaan son of ham (perheps he was the one who did what was done , as rash"i suggest) however it could be on ham as well , but mainly against canaan

"None of the great Torah sages was Black..."

jews are not a black people , thats true(in fact , etiophian jews are clearly semitic both by genes and appearance , they just have black skin because of the enviroment they lived in ,for exemple)  , but that does not mean there were no black converts , there were .... i can think of a jewish sage who was black , yithro  , father of zippora (wife of moses,that appearntly as you mentioned was black) , further more , the whole family of yithro converted to judaism(perheps he and his wife sons and daugthers , but could be close familiy as well)  , they all were jews, and continued to live with israel ,  they were called "the kini"  , and its said that they were "yoshvay ohalim " , which usually mean when said about jews (in the holy books) that they were "sitting in the tent of torah"  ,  as in , scholars
perheps they litterly their homes was usually tents(and there are some text that suggest that ) but still that would usually mean they studied torah


"Besides black is evil in Jewish belief"

care to explain? 

about your second message , it seems that kush was a term for a african/black peoples who came from kush , because there is a verse saying " hayaapoch kushi oro ,ve namer haburborutav"  ( can a kushite (black man) change his skin ,and a leapord his stripes"

[muman613]

In my comment about black being evil... In general when we talk about good and evil, Good is represented by light and Evil [lack of good] which represents Darkness or blackness... This doesn't necessarily refer to skin color but in general when we say something is Dark or Black, it refers to the 'Dark Side' or the Sitra Achra.

And yes, there are converts who are black... In my shul we have some Black Jews who converted.

But I don't know that the Rishonim or even the Achronim were of non-Semitic background. Do you have any reference to this?



http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/115536/jewish/The-Rishonim.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/115606/jewish/Early-Achronim.htm

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/jewish-history/?p=3441

So let me submit, it isn’t blood or DNA so much as culture that determines who we are as members of a society and nation. Take the Bible’s Ham (Cham), Noah’s son, whose line is cursed (through the line of his son Cana’an). His “descendants” will be “slaves of slaves.” What’s a slave of a slave? Thanks to First Covenant Foundation co-founder and director Rev. Jack E. Saunders for teaching me this concept: “Cham means hot (in Hebrew). Cham is driven by his animal parts, by his instincts – he’s “hot.” G’d wants us to master our animal instincts and turn them into our slaves; Cham is mastered by his instincts: he is enslaved by what should be his slave. So, the culture of Cham is an animalistic, sensual, instinct-driven culture. Does this mean that every descendant of Cham is a slave of slaves? It better not, because you and I and all of us are definitely, somehow, someway, descended from Cham. Racists insist that black people, Negroes, are descended from Cham, that they embody the culture of Cham. To the limited extent that there is any truth there, this is a cultural characteristic, not a racial or genetic inevitability. Chamitic culture is “hot” and sensualist – but is black or African-American or “Negro” Orthodox rabbi (I have a pretty good friend in Jerusalem, who originally came from Detroit, who’s one) a “slave of slaves” or tribal member of Cham? No way! Neither are his children (who are themselves rabbis and yeshiva and seminary students).

[HEBREWHONOR]

hmmm i am not sure about talmidim chahamim who were converts to judaism from the reshonim and achronim
onkelos from the age of haza"l was actually a roman out of the royal family (nephew of adrianus) who converted to judaism  (the romans is told to be furioues over this and sent soldirs to capture him , but all soldirs they sent ,also converted to judaism after a discussion with him , it is said the next soldirs were given order's not to speak with him when they come to take him , so it is said  that when the roman soldirs took him , he kissed the mezuzah , and the roman soldirs couldn't help but ask why he did it , so he answered them ,whats the diffrence between king of all kings of kings (g-d ) and a flesh and blood king , flesh and blood king is inside the palace while his slaves stand and gaurd over him outside ,while for the slaves of g-d  , the people are inside the  ,and g-d protects them from outside , (so this is a symbol that he gaurds them) ... and when they heard this , they converted as well , guess the roman emperor had enough and stopped )

he is the one who wrote the famoues targum onkelos ,aramaic translation/perush to the torah ,

so i guess that counts as a convert who was talmid chacham

[muman613]

hmmm i am not sure about talmidim chahamim who were converts to judaism from the reshonim and achronim
onkelos from the age of haza"l was actually a roman out of the royal family (nephew of adrianus) who converted to judaism  (the romans is told to be furioues over this and sent soldirs to capture him , but all soldirs they sent ,also converted to judaism after a discussion with him , it is said the next soldirs were given order's not to speak with him when they come to take him , so it is said  that when the roman soldirs took him , he kissed the mezuzah , and the roman soldirs couldn't help but ask why he did it , so he answered them ,whats the diffrence between king of all kings of kings (g-d ) and a flesh and blood king , flesh and blood king is inside the palace while his slaves stand and gaurd over him outside ,while for the slaves of g-d  , the people are inside the  ,and g-d protects them from outside , (so this is a symbol that he gaurds them) ... and when they heard this , they converted as well , guess the roman emperor had enough and stopped )

he is the one who wrote the famoues targum onkelos ,aramaic translation/perush to the torah ,

so i guess that counts as a convert who was talmid chacham

I just thought of one.... Our very dear Rabbi Akiva may have been a convert, or the son of a convert....

http://www.aish.com/tp/i/moha/48939037.html
COMPLEX FORMULA

What we have, then, is a more complex formula than was originally assumed. Someone born an Amalekite can, through his actions, lose his Amalekian status, and someone born to any other nation -- perhaps even to the nation of Israel -- can achieve the status of Amalek.

    The only Amalekite who is to be killed is the individual who adheres to the teachings of his ancestors.

Thus the original "racist" complexion of the law seems to have dissipated upon analysis. The only Amalekite who is to be killed is the individual who adheres to the teachings of his ancestors (even the presumption that an Amalekite remains true to the Amalekite belief system suffices to warrant execution). Upon acceptance of at least the Noachide laws, this status changes.

The tradition that former Amalekites studied Torah in B'nai Brak has a fascinating post-script. Who is referred to in this passage?

The Ein Ya'akov cites a tradition that the person referred to was Rav Shumel bar Shilat. Other sources identify the descendant with B'nai Brak's most famous citizen, none other than Rabbi Akiva! We know that Rabbi Akiva lived in B'nai Brak from a celebrated passage in the Haggada of Pesach. The Talmud also tells us that B'nei Brak was the home of Rabbi Akiva:

    Justice, justice shalt you pursue. This means: "Follow the scholars to their academies. For example, Rabbi Eliezer to Lydda, Rabbi Johanan b. Zakkai to Beror Hail, Rabbi Yehoshua to Peki'in, Rabban Gamaliel [II] to Yavneh, Rabbi Akiva to B'nai Brak." (Sanhedrin 32b)

We also know that Rabbi Akiva was either himself a convert or a child of converts:

    We can hardly appoint Rabbi Akiva because perhaps Rabban Gamaliel will bring a curse on him because he has no ancestral merit. (Brachot 27b. See comments of Rav Nissim Gaon.)

Based on the combination of these sources, there are many that understand that the descendant of Haman who learned and taught Torah in B'nai Brak was, in fact, Rabbi Akiva.

http://www.rabbiwein.com/Jerusalem-Post/2005/02/38.html
In the time of the Mishna (250 BCE to 200 CE) there were many Greek and Roman converts to Judaism. Shmaya and Avtalyon, the teachers of Hillel, were converts. Rabi Akiva was descended from a father who was a convert. In fact his "pedigree" in the Talmud traces itself back to Sisera, the Canaanite general slain by Yael in Devorah the prophetess' war against Yavin, the Canaanite king of Chatzor. Rabi Meir was descended from the Roman emperor Nero and Onkelos, the great translator of the Bible from Hebrew into Aramaic was also descended from the Roman royal family. Other great rabbis of the Mishna are mentioned as being descended from converts. On the other hand, the Idumeans, who were forced into conversion to Judaism by the Hasmonean kings, produced Antipater and Herod - cruel and vicious people who served Rome well and wholeheartedly in subjugating the Jewish land and people to Roman rule. The Talmud also records that a certain Yehuda ben Gerim - descended from converts - and was in reality a Roman spy and an informer against his rabbinic colleagues. In the Bible, we find that King David felt that King Saul was betrayed by an Amalekite convert. Thus a spirit of ambivalence is always present when dealing with the question of conversions and converts. The Torah bids the Jew to be kind and welcoming to converts - in fact, it does so thirty-six times, more than any other commandment in the Torah. Thus, the Torah places a great burden on the Jew as well as on the non-Jew when it comes to conversion issues. Hence the traditional circumspection in the matter.