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What Makes Bernie Run? - Essay by Rabbi Meir Kahane
« on: November 08, 2009, 12:21:53 AM »
I found this reprinted at Tzvi Fishmans blog on A7 news...

Rabbi Kahanes words are as true today as they were over 30 years ago...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/4#3905



WHAT MAKES BERNIE RUN?

by Rabbi Meir Kahane Hy"D

(Federal prison, Manhattan, Lag Ba'Omer, April 29, 1975)

Once there was a television program, which centered about the theme of intermarriage. The heroes of the piece were named Bernie and Brigitte. The American Jewish Establishment put great pressure on the particular network that televised the series and the program was ultimately dropped. Bernie and Brigitte were no longer. They had been canceled...
Bye bye American Jewry

How relatively simple it was to cancel Bernie and Brigitte on television and how much more difficult to struggle against the curse and cancer of intermarriage and assimilation that exists in real American Jewish life. How simple to picket a television series to death and how hard to stamp out the disease that afflicts us daily in the real-life existence that is the lot of American Jewry. lf we no longer find Bernie and Brigitte strolling hand in hand across our television screens we need only look at our campuses, at our streets at our neighborhoods, Bernie is alive and well.

What makes Bernie run? What makes Bernie run after Brigitte? What makes Bernie run away from Judaism and cut the chain of generations? What makes Bernie run away from the Judaism that his great-grandfather clutched at the risk of loss of happiness material wealth and so often very life? What makes Bernie run? This is the question that drives the American Jewish Establishment to frantically set up committees, study groups, surveys and commissions. This is the question that drives them to study the problem again and again and then again. This is the question to which they allocate so much time and so much communal money. This is the question that is at the top of their puzzled order of priorities, over which they scratch their collective well-groomed heads: What makes Bernie run?

The puzzled shepherds of the American Jewish communities can close down their study groups and their commissions and their committees: they can put an end to the learned and expensive surveys. They can stop spending Jewish communal funds. What makes Bernie run away from Judaism? Who created that Bernie who turns from Judaism in disgust or in indifference? Who created the Bernie who pants after a shiksa or who marches for Jesus or Trotsky or Arafat or for nothing Jewish? Who created a Bernie who finds Judaism as unimportant as the color of his hair?

Why, the answer is obvious: The very same Establishment groups who are busily creating the committees, commissions, study groups and surveys to find out the answer to these questions. Who made Bernie run away from Judaism? The American Jewish Committee, the American Jewish Congress, the B'nai Brith, the federations on every level and in every locality, the temple rabbis and Bernie's most intimate Establishment figures- his parents.

All of these are the criminals. All of these had a hand in murdering Bernie as a Jew. All of these robbed him of his heritage, of the beauties of his inheritance. All of these make Bernie run. The Jewish Establishment groups - The AJCommittee, the Congress, the B'nai Brith, the federations, ALL the spokesmen for the American Jewish community - the ruling clique, uniformly marched down the American road with a melting pot under their arms, beating it over and over again and shouting forth the Eleventh Commandment to the American Jew: Thou shalt melt!

Thou shalt melt, thou shalt integrate, thou shalt amalgamate, thou shalt be an American as all others. They beat the drums for interfaith, exchanging pulpits with ministers enthusiastically, in a frantic effort to prove to Christian and Jew alike that there is essentially no difference between them. They were partially successful - the Christians were not convinced but the Jews were.

Thou shalt melt, thou shalt integrate, thou shalt Americanize thyself and so they raised high the banner of the public school and fought, with a zeal no one knew that they possessed, the one weapon that might have given Bernie knowledge, and a sense of pride and roots. In fear and with hostility, they declared a holy war against the Jewish Day School, the parochial school, and the yeshiva. They piously rationalized their struggle on the sacred grounds of separation of church and state but the real reason for their war (and they took the lead among all Americans in fighting the slightest aid to parochial schools) was their fear and consequent hatred of the parochialism and separatism of the yeshiva. The yeshiva threatened them with too much Jewishness! What would the gentile say if Jews were too Jewish, If they looked and behaved too differently, if their profile was not properly low? How did one mix easily with gentiles in the non-kosher country clubs they were so eager to join; how did one assimilate if Jews did not learn to drop the embarrassing customs, habits and old ritual baggage?

The public school! This was the way to equality, to uniformity, to mixing and assimilating. And so, they urged their flock to send Bernie to the public school (and the flock, as eager to mix as the shepherds, needed little urging). Bernie went to public school.

And today as the shepherds run frenziedly about surveying Bernie and asking him, where did you meet Brigitte? He calmly answers: "Why, in the public school in the public school; in the public school to which you sent me!"

Who made Bernie what he is? Who made Bernie run? The Establishment groups, and leaders who took a Judaism of particularism, of separatism, of uniqueness, of DlFFERENCE, and who- in their fears, insecurities and ignorance- created an American brand that leveled all uniqueness, 'proved' that Jews and Christians were no different, and eliminated every logical and moral reason to be different. They created Bernie: they made Bernie run.

And who else made Bernie run away from Judaism? Who else made Bernie what he is and is not? The massive, gaudy mausoleums that dot the landscape of every Jewish suburb. The temples. The temples whose senior rabbi is the caterer. The temples that perform human sacrifice rites each Sabbath morning and they call them, The Bar Mitzvah.

The Bar Mitzvah, that is not the beginning of a Jew but his end, his spiritual death. The Bar Mitzvah- that culmination of an empty, vapid, childish, shallow Jewish "education," taught by men and women whose ignorance and lack of Jewish content makes them superb vehicles for the "education" they pass on. The Bar Mitzvah, that obscene cult of ostentatiousness, the ultimate in Jewish status seeking, the competitive drive to bankrupt that pathetic and hapless "father of the Bar Mitzvah." The Bar Mitzvah where the young lamb babbles the words he neither understands nor cares to, to the accompanying nachas, pride, of beaming women and men who would not know a correct word from a mistake, whose ignorance is sublime and whose disgusting display of conspicuous vulgarity sends G-d fleeing from the mausoleum in wrath...

The Bar Mitzvah whose necessary "religious" interlude long ago was subordinated to the piece-de-resistance of the entire immorality play - the "reception." The sickening waste of money and degrading of Judaism, where materialism runs amok in the guise of religion, where drunks and half-dressed women dance and give praise to the L-rd, with African dance, American tunes, and universal abomination. The Bar Mitzvah where the assimilationists, ignoramuses and despoilers of Judaism, beam with patronizing pleasure as the decrepit grandmother- Bubby- is resurrected from her nursing home or Miami Beach condominium and trotted out to light a candle to the applause of the go-go girls and dirty comedians waiting to do their act.

The temple, where man thinks up G-d rather than admit that He made him. The temples, where the Jew can create any kind of religion that he cares to and call it Judaism. The temple, where things too difficult are junked and where from the Board of Directors shall come forth Torah and the voice of the L-rd from the approving Sisterhood membership. The temple, run by men whose ignorance of Judaism is exceeded only by their arrogant insistence on saluting it. The temple, where Bernie visits "G-d" and meets "Judaism" and flees from it in horror. The temples: they created Bernie, they made Bernie run.

And who else made Bernie run from Judaism? The temple rabbis. The kept theologians who knowingly preside over fraud and grotesque jokes. The well-paid functionaries whose salaries are payments to hold their silence and to declare light, darkness and darkness, light: to give their stamp of kashrut on the impure meat that their temples serve up as "Judaism." The bribe takers whose eyes are blinded and consciences dulled by kavod, the honor of sitting on the pulpit before the eyes of the congregants, and by the comfortable salary augmented by the offerings of thankful beneficiaries of weddings, funerals and unveilings. The false prophets who hold their silence as Judaism is twisted, perverted, turned into a humorless joke and who, knowing their own corruptness and fraud of soul, rush to justify the fraud by 'rabbinical' or lingo that pronounce them "good." The temple rabbis who take a Judaism of Divinity and truth and go about Reconstructing it and Reforming it and making a mockery of Conserving it.

The temple rabbis who took the age-old axiom of Revelation, real Revelation, upon which is built the Divinity of Torah and junked it. The temple rabbis who made Judaism the product of ''wise men" (and if so, are there not wise Christians and Buddhists and atheists) and thus removed any sacredness and necessary reason for observance. The temple rabbis, so many of whom do not believe in G-d, who took the real and awesome Jewish G-d of history who made man and Created all and who rewards and punishes, and exchanged Him for a "god" who is "the spirit within man," indistinguishable from indigestion...They are the models of Jewish "religious" leadership we give unto Bernie, these empty vessels whose greatest fortune is that their congregants know even less, about Judaism than they do.

These are your rabbis, Oh Bernie, and then we wonder why he refuses to enter the temple over which they preside. Only they themselves know what frauds they are; only they, in their hearts, know what a life of lies they lead: only they, in the inner recesses of their being, know the self- hate and contempt they feel for themselves each day that they have to perform acts of faith they no longer believe in and teach a religion that long ago they secretly began to doubt. The temple rabbis; they created Bernie, they made Bernie run.

And who else made Bernie run away from the embrace of Judaism into Brigitte's waiting arms? The parents, the good Jewish parents. The loving Jewish mother who took off her golden nose rings and made a Golden Calf, which she worships avidly. The Golden Calf called "success'' and "money" and "making it" and "my son-the-doctor." The Golden Calf of material success before which she burns incense and for which she threw the G-d of Jewish values into the trash cans of medieval obscurantism. The Jewish father whose values are those of the garment center and the racetrack and bagels and lox on Sunday morning before taking the family out to the Chinese restaurant on Sunday after-noon. The Jewish father who tries to think like a gentile, act like a gentile, dress like a gentile, drink like a gentile, and curse like a gentile and then demand that Bernie marry a "nice Jewish girl."

The Jewish parents whose credo is upward and upward in wealth and status and who created a comfortable Judaism that would accommodate their needs. Who moved to the suburbs and created a suburban Judaism, and a suburban G-d, ethical and cultured and nice- a vaguely Jewish Santa Claus. Who turned down the Orthodox synagogue of their parents, grandparents and generations beyond because it was too Jewish and too out of step with modern times and too difficult and too outmoded and not compatible with the new pagan-Jewish lifestyle they were creating. Who turned either to the Reform that gave both status (how familiar their Christian friends would find it if ever they stopped by) as well as license (one could be almost anything and do the same in that incredible anarchy known as Reform or -better still- to that new and upcoming movement known as "Conservatism."

How many Jewish refugees from Brooklyn and the Bronx arrived in their new status symbols in Massapequa find themselves surrounded by strange natives known generally as "goyim" with large tribal groups called "Protestants?" How many of the Jews, in panic, fearing that Bernie would come home with a Mary rather than a Shirley banded together to build a quick temple of "Jewish Center" to save their precious ones? How many of them who did not know a Jewish concept from a Catholic catechism decided to call it 'Conservative' because Orthodox is 'too old-fashioned' and Reform is 'like a church?' And how amazed was the minuscule, unimportant Conservative movement to be suddenly besieged with requests for 'Conservative rabbis' that did not exist? And how many Conservative temples were suddenly hiring Orthodox rabbis who prostituted themselves to the Long Island god of gold? And how true it is that it was not the Conservative movement (sic) that built all the new temples that suddenly made them so prominent but the ordinary, ignorant Jews who bought a temple just as they bought any other commodity they needed and who set the terms of the deal. Bernie's Parents bought their temple and their rabbi and proceeded to create Judaism and G-d in their own image. The garment center knew exactly how to cut a suit to fit...

Judaism, but not too much, If Bernie was sent to that vast cultural wasteland known as the "religious" or "Hebrew" school which he so despised, it was not so much that he become religious as so that he might acquire 'culture.' (At least enough to let him babble the proper words on the great day of Bar Mitzvah initiation rites.) lf he came home and mentioned something about Sabbath observance or a ban on ham and bacon, his parents smiled and told him that "we are not sending you there for that" or "you do not have to listen to everything the teacher says." They played games with Bernie and thought that they could deceive him never realizing in their own stupidity, that no one can ultimately deceive a child. They created a fraud and thought that they could foist it on their Bernie. They created a Judaism that was created in their own image- a Cohenism or a Goldbergism or a Schwartzism and tried to pretend that it was Judaism. They defrauded themselves because it so suited them and thought that Bernie would grow up to be as fraudulent, hypocritical, materialistic and disgusting as they. But he did not. That which makes Sammy run does not necessarily affect Bernie.

They thought that Judaism was a faucet that could be turned on and off at will. They wanted to give up the uncomfortable and the inconvenient things but still keep the 'important' things, like marrying a Shirley. Bernie was honest. He took the whole thing and junked it. He turned on the faucet all the way and Judaism spilled out in to it. He married Brigitte to the wailing of his parents who shrieked to one and all: Where did we go wrong??

Where did they go wrong??

Where did they go right??

When one thinks about it, the gall and the arrogance of Bernie's murderers are stupefying. All of them- sleek Jewish Establishment organizations and their portly leaders; the million-dollar temple-mausoleums; the temple rabbi-functionaries; the pitiful and hapless parents. All those whose yardstick was "what will the gentile say" and who proceeded to tailor their 'Judaism' to fit not the Jew but the gentile; all those spiritual schizophrenics who did not know whether they were Jews or not, fish or fowl, meat or milk; all these now point their grubby accusing fingers at Bernie and shout indignantly:

"Why are you such a bad Jew? Why are you a traitor to your people? Why can't you marry a nice Jewish girl, Iike your mother? Why do you want to marry Brigitte the shiksa?"

The hypocrisy is nauseating and amusing at the same time, but Bernie listens and finds nothing humorous in it. "Why do I want to marry Brigitte? Why not? She is good looking, polite and doesn't nag. Why do I want to marry Brigitte? Why not?

What is a nice Jewish girl like my mother? One who desecrates the Sabbath like my mother? So does Brigitte. One who eats non-kosher food like dear Mom? So does Brigitte. One who comes to synagogue three times a year to parade about it in our version of Eastern parade? Brigitte has the real thing."

Of course, what Bernie is really saying -- NO, CRYlNG OUT -- is: "Tell me someone. Why should I be a Jew? Why is it so important to be a Jew? What difference does it make? Why not knock down the barriers between religions, nations and groups once and for all? What is there to Judaism that is so unique and special that I should adhere to it faithfully and marry within my faith? Why be a Jew!!!

It is an agonizing cry from the souls of tens of thousands of young Jews who assimilate, integrate and disappear into the outer space beyond Judaism. It is THE cry, THE question. It is asked by young men and women who have seen the emptiness and the vapidness of the Judaism they grew up with. It is asked by young Jews who have seen the ugliness and the vulgarity of their empty temples and the fraud and bankruptcy of their temple rabbis. It is asked by young people whose 'Judaism' gives nothing, absolutely nothing, in terms of ideals, self-sacrifice and meaning. It comes from those who equate the 'Judaism' they know with ostentatious wealth, fat and contented leaders paying lip service to G-d and 'religion' and the reality of that religion in the form of rabbis who do not believe in the Divinity of Torah or (increasingly) in G-d and in lay people whose ignorance of anything Jewish is compensated for by Hadassah and UJA checks.

Those who murdered Bernie took a Judaism of their ancestors that was strong and powerful enough to withstand inquisitions and Crusades and pogroms and Kishinevs and Auschwitzes, big and small. It was a Judaism that lived because its adherents were ready to die for it. It was a Judaism of the zeyde who believed in G-d and proved it by observing His commandments. It was a Judaism that came from G-d and not from man. It was a Judaism whose rabbis and leaders knew Torah, not the latest best-selling book list and who did as they said, setting a supreme example for the Bernies of old who knew why Judaism was different, who never for a moment thought of Brigitte.

The murderers took this and threw it away, exchanging it for 'American Judaism,' a grotesque mixture of Myron Cohen jokes, Miami Beach, UJA checks, Hadassah membership, Jewish food and Moshe Dayan eye-patches. It was a 'Judaism' that was stripped of all non-essentials so as to lighten the burden on the long-distance Jewish swimmer through the American waters of assimilation, equality and brotherhood. It was a "Judaism" whose adherents beamed as their leaders got it down to "ethics." Ethics! As if that was the beginning and end of Judaism. As if Christians and Shintoists could not be ethical, too. As if Brigitte was necessarily less ethical than Shirley. Ethics- intoned the well-paid rabbi from his magnificently furnished pulpit. Ethics- that is Judaism. lf that's all there is, then Bernie knows that Judaism has lost any exclusive hold on him. Everyone, today, is ethical. George Meany is ethical and Nelson Rockeffeller is ethical and Rev. Moon is ethical and Prince Sihanouk is ethical and the late King Faisel was ethical, as are his un-countable sons. Is that all there is to Judaism? lf that is all there is, then stop lecturing Bernie as he marches into the sun with his ethical shiksa. Bernie wants to know what is exclusive about Judaism, what is unique, what is special, what it has that others do not. Bernie wants to know this and those who murdered him have no answers for him. The head of the B'nai Brith has no answer for him. The temple caterer has no answer for him, nor the Board Chairman, nor the Sisterhood president. The temple rabbi has no answer for him. Mother and father surely have no answer for him. All of these have no answers for him because all of these have no answers for themselves.

Judaism lives or dies on the unique fact that G-d Revealed Himself at Mount Sinai and gave the Jew a truth that no one else has. Judaism lives or dies on the fact that the Bible and the Talmud with their laws, commandments, statutes and ordinances were divinely revealed and that the only way to holiness and true goodness comes from the observance of Torah laws. This is what kept Bernie's zeyde and bubby Jewish; nothing else. This is a reason for being Jewish. This is a reason for not marrying Brigitte. All the rest is fraud and buff. Poor Bernie, victim of the worst kind of robbery - the taking of his heritage and reason for being. lf only he would realize that the 'Judaism' that he saw his entire life was anything but that. lf only he realized that he was the victim of the worst kind of spiritual swindle. How fortunate he would be. How joyous and happy and how meaningful would his life become if he rediscovered the Judaism of his ancestors that was sold on the American continent for thirty pieces of dross. Jewish is beautiful if you do not play games with it- or with yourself. lf only Bernie understood. How fortunate he would be. He could then turn in his Brigitte for a reason for being.

A reason for being Jewish.

Rabbi Meir Kahane z"tl
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: What Makes Bernie Run? - Essay by Rabbi Meir Kahane
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2009, 10:44:12 AM »
That's a great essay. Thanks for posting it here.

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Re: What Makes Bernie Run? - Essay by Rabbi Meir Kahane
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2009, 09:07:49 PM »
I admittedly only skimmed this essay, and respond as the "assimilated" jew the author denigrates, I respond: "do you like the black gangsta kids in their low-hanging pants?"

When a people dress and act differently, they will be treated differently.

One cannot stand in both an accepted part of society, and a separated one comprising wholly different customs and behaviours from that of the larger body of society.

That person will suffer, with life much harder, unable to work, feed their family, or be considered a loyal member of that larger society (do I hear muslim, anyone?).

Unless one can accept diminished options and success for themselves and their children, or they move to israel which is majority jewish and embraces these customs, they cannot expect to receive equal and similar treatment as those of the larger society.

Remember the 1954 Supreme court decision, separate, but unequal?

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 09:10:35 PM »
or they move to israel which is majority jewish and embraces these customs

That's Rabbi Kahane's solution to the problem.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 09:12:21 PM »
or they move to israel which is majority jewish and embraces these customs

That's Rabbi Kahane's solution to the problem.

It is not a comprehensive one, as if all jews re-located to israel, we would be too ready a target for the vermin of humanity like ahmadinejad.  One nuke and we would all be eliminated. The fact that we are dispersed has saved us more than once...

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 09:15:30 PM »
or they move to israel which is majority jewish and embraces these customs

That's Rabbi Kahane's solution to the problem.

It is not a comprehensive one, as if all jews re-located to israel, we would be too ready a target for the vermin of humanity like ahmadinejad.  One nuke and we would all be eliminated. The fact that we are dispersed has saved us more than once...

The exile is the main cause of our problems. As for Admadinejad, a strong Israeli government would be able to take care of him.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2009, 09:19:37 PM »
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The exile is the main cause of our problems. As for Admadinejad, a strong Israeli government would be able to take care of him.

If not that filth, then someone else.  We are only 15 million, but to be honest, if all of use were in israel the country would be overwhelmed.  I doubt that there is enough arable land to feed 15 million people healthily, at least food of good quality.

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The exile is the main cause of our problems. As for Admadinejad, a strong Israeli government would be able to take care of him.

If not that filth, then someone else.  We are only 15 million, but to be honest, if all of use were in israel the country would be overwhelmed.  I doubt that there is enough arable land to feed 15 million people healthily, at least food of good quality.

You with very little faith. Do you know what the Jews can do for the land of Israel? Look at Israel today! It would be a desert if not for the Jewish presence in the land. Jews can make Israel flourish, the promise is made by Hashem himself in our Torah. If you are really a Jew I would recommend you pick up a Chumash and start to read it each week.

The problem which you have is that you need proof that Hashem has providence over the Jewish people, and each and every Jew. There is really nothing to fear because in every case, in history, those who rose to kill us were defeated. There may be trials and tribulations but the promise that Hashem made to the Jewish people, through the covenant of Abraham, is that Hashem will never leave us and his love for the Jewish people will be forever and ever.

All it takes is for you, and other Jews who are far away from Hashem to turn toward him and give him some credit. Appreciate that Hashem has brought you to this day. Having appreciation is one of the important traits of a Jew and is why we say so many blessings. I hope that you have not closed your mind to the idea that Hashem is really with us.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2009, 10:28:19 AM »
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You with very little faith. Do you know what the Jews can do for the land of Israel? Look at Israel today! It would be a desert if not for the Jewish presence in the land. Jews can make Israel flourish, the promise is made by Hashem himself in our Torah. If you are really a Jew I would recommend you pick up a Chumash and start to read it each week.

The problem which you have is that you need proof that Hashem has providence over the Jewish people, and each and every Jew. There is really nothing to fear because in every case, in history, those who rose to kill us were defeated. There may be trials and tribulations but the promise that Hashem made to the Jewish people, through the covenant of Abraham, is that Hashem will never leave us and his love for the Jewish people will be forever and ever.

All it takes is for you, and other Jews who are far away from Hashem to turn toward him and give him some credit. Appreciate that Hashem has brought you to this day. Having appreciation is one of the important traits of a Jew and is why we say so many blessings. I hope that you have not closed your mind to the idea that Hashem is really with us.

With respect, I am alot further than that - I am not even of the certain belief that there is a "G-d" as described in judiasm.

As for "saving us", after losing 1/3 of all jews worldwide in 1940-1945, I would have to question your statement in a strong way.  If anything else, the existence of the Holocaust furthers me from judaism - what kind of benevolent "G-d" would allow 1.5 million children under age 12 to be murdered?

The longer I studied the Holocaust, which I did in depth for over 10 years, the further from Judaism it drove me.

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 10:33:16 AM »
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You with very little faith. Do you know what the Jews can do for the land of Israel? Look at Israel today! It would be a desert if not for the Jewish presence in the land. Jews can make Israel flourish, the promise is made by Hashem himself in our Torah. If you are really a Jew I would recommend you pick up a Chumash and start to read it each week.

The problem which you have is that you need proof that Hashem has providence over the Jewish people, and each and every Jew. There is really nothing to fear because in every case, in history, those who rose to kill us were defeated. There may be trials and tribulations but the promise that Hashem made to the Jewish people, through the covenant of Abraham, is that Hashem will never leave us and his love for the Jewish people will be forever and ever.

All it takes is for you, and other Jews who are far away from Hashem to turn toward him and give him some credit. Appreciate that Hashem has brought you to this day. Having appreciation is one of the important traits of a Jew and is why we say so many blessings. I hope that you have not closed your mind to the idea that Hashem is really with us.


With respect, I am alot further than that - I am not even of the certain belief that there is a "G-d" as described in judiasm.

As for "saving us", after losing 1/3 of all jews worldwide in 1940-1945, I would have to question your statement in a strong way.  If anything else, the existence of the Holocaust furthers me from judaism - what kind of benevolent "G-d" would allow 1.5 million children under age 12 to be murdered?

The longer I studied the Holocaust, which I did in depth for over 10 years, the further from Judaism it drove me.
Then you must know nothing of Judaism... The Holocaust is only the tip of the iceberg of the tribulations the Jewish people went through. Our very formation came from the terrible pit of Slavery in Egypt. We were oppressed for over 200 years as slaves with unbearable work and we awaited the exodus which occured with great miracles. But also many Jews who didn't hearken to the call to leave were left behind and died in Egypt.

We have witnessed miracles this day. The formation of Israel itself is a miracle. The six day war was a miracle.. Hashem is good to the people of Israel when we are coming close. Everything happens for a reason and you just dont see the reason.

You dont know me, but my brother was killed in the WTC on 9/11... It was this event which brought me closer to Hashem... There were many survivors of the Nazis who became stronger Jews because of the event.  The fact that there is evil in the world is part of the reason for creation. This world is only the corridor to the next world. Each soul is judged according to its deeds... My belief in Hashem grows stronger the more things get difficult...


You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 11:04:57 AM »
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Then you must know nothing of Judaism... The Holocaust is only the tip of the iceberg of the tribulations the Jewish people went through. Our very formation came from the terrible pit of Slavery in Egypt. We were oppressed for over 200 years as slaves with unbearable work and we awaited the exodus which occured with great miracles. But also many Jews who didn't hearken to the call to leave were left behind and died in Egypt.We have witnessed miracles this day. The formation of Israel itself is a miracle. The six day war was a miracle.. Hashem is good to the people of Israel when we are coming close. Everything happens for a reason and you just dont see the reason.

I know much, having studied it for 15 years through my formative years, I've just come to a different conclusion than you have.

The formation of israel today was hardly a miracle, it was built on the guilt from the slaughter of 1/3 of our brothers, sisters, parents and children - without the Holocaust the UN would never have created it and the vote would never have taken place.

If given a choice between continued statelessness and having those 6 million back - or the situation today with 6 MM gone and the current state of israel, I'd take the latter 6 days a week and twice on sunday.

Even more to the point, you have large numbers of so-called "orthodox" jews protesting israel's existence, and I do not refer to the NK filth either.

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You dont know me, but my brother was killed in the WTC on 9/11... It was this event which brought me closer to Hashem... There were many survivors of the Nazis who became stronger Jews because of the event.  The fact that there is evil in the world is part of the reason for creation. This world is only the corridor to the next world. Each soul is judged according to its deeds... My belief in Hashem grows stronger the more things get difficult...

I am sorry for your loss - I had the "pleasure" of seeing it all unfold right in front of my face as I worked across the street from the N tower, and watched the second plane strike right over my head.

Getting back, one can believe the idea of "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger", but if G-d truly "loved" us, he would not have murdered 1/3 of us in the most heinous ways possible...



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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 11:11:01 AM »
You are wrong... We cannot second guess what Hashem has in store for us. Everything which has happened has been foreseen by the prophets and we are certainly headed for the messianic age... Im sorry that your eyes have been closed but you must continue to search for the truth.

This life is only the beginning. In order to understand you must believe in the next world. The struggle in this world is what makes our next world even better...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 11:21:27 AM »
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You are wrong... We cannot second guess what Hashem has in store for us. Everything which has happened has been foreseen by the prophets and we are certainly headed for the messianic age... Im sorry that your eyes have been closed but you must continue to search for the truth.

I find it impossible to accept that the Holocaust was predicted anywhere, by anyone in the past.

Because if it were, would the rabbis not have warned us?  20/20 hindsight is always worthless...

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This life is only the beginning. In order to understand you must believe in the next world. The struggle in this world is what makes our next world even better...

You do realize the pat sophistry of this statement, as if it were issued by a cult leader: "you MUST believe me, you MUST...."

I'm sorry, but I need more proof than that, faith alone will not be enough sustenance.


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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 11:23:03 AM »
Please see my new posting on the topic of the Holocaust...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 11:24:01 AM »
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You are wrong... We cannot second guess what Hashem has in store for us. Everything which has happened has been foreseen by the prophets and we are certainly headed for the messianic age... Im sorry that your eyes have been closed but you must continue to search for the truth.

I find it impossible to accept that the Holocaust was predicted anywhere, by anyone in the past.

Because if it were, would the rabbis not have warned us?  20/20 hindsight is always worthless...

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This life is only the beginning. In order to understand you must believe in the next world. The struggle in this world is what makes our next world even better...

You do realize the pat sophistry of this statement, as if it were issued by a cult leader: "you MUST believe me, you MUST...."

I'm sorry, but I need more proof than that, faith alone will not be enough sustenance.


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Hey rhodescholar, it doesnt really matter to me if you believe or not... We are all judged individually... All I am trying to do is provide some input for you to think about. If you act on it, it is in my merit... If not... No sweat off my nose..

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14