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Can you be a righteous Muslim?
muman613:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/islamjudaism/
All About Islam
Could you explain the difference between Islam and Judaism as you did about Christianity? The way you outlined the differences was very clear. It appears to me that Islam tries to be more like Judaism.
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Islam, like Christianity, accepts the Jewish Bible and is based largely upon Jewish ideas and traditions. The philosophical underpinnings of Islam, however, are more closely aligned with those of Judaism. Whereas Christianity incorporates the idea of the “trinity,” Islam believes in one all-powerful, infinite God.
Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism.
Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword. (We are still suffering from this today; may there be peace soon.)
The real difference between the two religions, however, lies in their basis for belief. Judaism is based on the unique historical event of a divine revelation experienced by the entire nation. Whereas Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.
Talmudic tradition says that while Abraham’s son Isaac became the forefather of the Jewish people, the Islamic line is descended from Abraham’s other son Ishmael.
Maimonides states that the popularity of Christianity and Islam are part of God’s plan to spread the ideals of Torah throughout the world. This moves society closer to a perfected state of morality and toward a greater understanding of God. All of this is in preparation for the Messianic age.
Every Jew AK47:
Can Camels grow wings and fly? Can you have a righteous muslim?
The Turks were not religous muslims in the time where they accepted their Jewish immigrants. Even, there was a lot of paganism still in those lands and mixed beliefs. There was report a province in Eastern Europe or Turkey (not sure exactly), called Kazaria that converted from Islam to Judaism. Obviously, these are not very religious muslims, that they would toss aside their beliefs for Judaic ones. However, in the modern world, Muslims around the world are more fanatical and it is now inscribed into their hearts to wipe all Jews off the earth.
There are nice muslims, because they are not really muslims, they are just poor people born into a savage cult that they are not allowed to leave, for fear of rejection and death. Islam itself is a barbaric, savage cult built on lies, debauchery and barbaric conquest that seeks to exterminate all those who refuse to believe in it.
Any righteous Muslim is not a Muslim.
As far as those Dark Aged, Jew hating Chrsitains, well more of them followed Euroepan paganism rather than Christanity. Christianity was at one time a Judaic religion until it was adopted by Romans and Greeks and bonded with European traditions and theology. However, those who seeked to attack the Jews would only do so based on some external teachings that their churches produced versus that actually written in the Tanakh and New Testament of the bibles.
muman613:
I fully love all Gentiles but I will not accept that Christianity really 'loves' the Jewish people. I have read the passages in the NT and I am aware of how those passages are used by missionaries and by anti-semites.. I believe we should not argue about who is more antisemitic, the muslims or the christians... We should accept what happened historically and learn to do the will of the Creator, Hashem the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... I hope that readers understand that I am not making a pronouncement that all Christians are evil, nor are they going to hell... I am just saying that in order to make relations better we need to be honest about history...
http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/247,2168834/Why-do-Jews-not-accept-Jesus-as-a-god-or-a-messiah.html
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Bonesfan on November 10, 2009, 03:56:27 PM ---Why do you think that in the Middle Ages, a pretty substantial school of Islam more or less tolerated Jewry? What was the Koranic/Hadithic argument they used for this?
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I think it's lapse in religious fervor and appeal of societal/cultural experiences. There were always places where people were less fervent in their religion at different times and more intent on societal interactions and basic life pleasures. This happened for a time in spain and certain Muslim places. Muslims were businessmen, artisans, 'scientists' (whatever constituted a scientist at that time), and if Jews paid a dhimmi tax, hey that fits with the Koran, so why not work together in doing these various economic pursuits, the marketplace, artwork, scholarship etc. They just didn't understand the jihad as so pressing or didn't relate to that aspect of their religion. This is bound to happen when a religion spreads so far and so quickly as Islam did, how can the pure ideology remain steadfast in such far reaching places and in such a high percentage when there is no real tradition for it before the rapid conquest of Islam. People who were previously arabs or other types of people forced to convert to save their lives along with the rest of their society, they go on living.
And so they will naturally incline toward those easier and more appealing aspects of Islam and naturally not care about others (including the aspect that motivated those who came to conquer them). Why should they care about dar al islam, they only are muslim so they wouldn't be beheaded in the first place, and their parents never had a tradition they passed to them, and who cares what happens elsewhere in the world, they have a life to live. World wasn't so global back then.
But messianic belief always comes around now and then, schools can establish a more fundamental stream of religion and a more extreme approach, and then develop this and spread it to those more dedicated to the religion. The almohad dynasty is probably an example. And nowadays the madrasses in iran and saudi arabia are so extremely fundamental and approach the pure jihadist ideology of Islam, and this is really what Muslims around the world are indoctrinated with, in schools and by family.
In my opinion, the way to break it is through intellectual warfare. Infiltrate their schools, undermine their teachings, support (financially and otherwise) break-off reformist sects that come to alter the real Islam, and certain people will gravitate towards that, just like people gravitate toward fake/new/non-traditional forms of other religions. The reform movement was completely phony, yet it was and is a grave danger to Jews and posed a huge challenge to orthodoxy. We need to help drive Muslims "off the derech" of Islam by seeding a reform peace-nik sect that rejects jihad and actively attacks the true Islam in the way that reform went no holds barred to constantly attack Orthodox Judaism and all the while reform claiming itself to be the real thing (dishonestly).
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: DeathToIslam on November 10, 2009, 05:02:09 PM ---There was report a province in Eastern Europe or Turkey (not sure exactly), called Kazaria that converted from Islam to Judaism.
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They did not convert FROM Islam. The Khazar kingdom was a gentile place with a pagan like tradition. There were Jews and Muslims who also came to that place and blended in with the Khazar people and culture (and undoubtedly there were also some Christians as it bordered also the Christian empire on one side). But the place was NEVER Muslim. The King of Khazaria and his high ranking officials converted to Judaism and then fought against the Muslim empire and stopped their expansion for a while. Muslims were a minority there and remained a minority there, until the Rus came in and conquered everyone.
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