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The heart of the matter, is it not?
Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks:
--- Quote from: rhodescholar on November 12, 2009, 09:09:41 PM ---the undeniable fact that there are trillions of other sentient species out there.
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Evidence please?
To date, not even extraterrestrial bacteria have been discovered.
rhodescholar:
--- Quote from: Dan ben Noah on November 12, 2009, 09:15:06 PM --- Those aren't facts. Facts are something that's proven. Those are just assumptions. Plus, the existence of "sentient species" anywhere does not have anything to do with the Jews' chosenness since they were only chosen PEOPLE to observe G-d's Torah and be a light to the nations. G-d has different paths for Jews and non-Jews, so if there are intelligent aliens he would probably have a different path for them too. None of this is grounds to stop practicing Judaism.
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The laws of physics are quite sturdy, and the FACT that you can see billions of stars with an unaided eye from your front lawn - and that is only the Milky Way galaxy, which itself is one of BILLIONS of galaxies in the Universe - is pretty strong evidence to most people.
Again, there is no mention in judaism describing our existence - or really to be honest, insignificance - amongst quadrillions of other species.
rhodescholar:
--- Quote from: Bonesfan on November 12, 2009, 09:18:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: rhodescholar on November 12, 2009, 09:09:41 PM ---the undeniable fact that there are trillions of other sentient species out there.
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Evidence please?
To date, not even extraterrestrial bacteria have been discovered.
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You are incorrect, as traces of Martian microbes were discovered a while back inside meteorites found in arctic ice.
rhodescholar:
--- Quote from: Dan ben Noah on November 12, 2009, 09:26:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: rhodescholar on November 12, 2009, 09:22:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dan ben Noah on November 12, 2009, 09:15:06 PM --- Those aren't facts. Facts are something that's proven. Those are just assumptions. Plus, the existence of "sentient species" anywhere does not have anything to do with the Jews' chosenness since they were only chosen PEOPLE to observe G-d's Torah and be a light to the nations. G-d has different paths for Jews and non-Jews, so if there are intelligent aliens he would probably have a different path for them too. None of this is grounds to stop practicing Judaism.
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The laws of physics are quite sturdy, and the FACT that you can see billions of stars with an unaided eye from your front lawn - and that is only the Milky Way galaxy, which itself is one of BILLIONS of galaxies in the Universe - is pretty strong evidence to most people.
Again, there is no mention in judaism describing our existence - or really to be honest, insignificance - amongst quadrillions of other species.
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You said that it is an indeniable fact that sentient beings exist. Obviously I wasn't talking about the existence of stars. Stars don't prove the existence of beings. And you're using an assumption to make judgements about Judaism.
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Over the past 10 years, several hundred planets orbiting stars, with about 50 earth-size planets included amongst them, have been discovered.
Only the most closed-minded individual would believe that humans on earth, out of trillions of star systems, could possibly be the only intelligent life in the universe.
It just doesn't fly, even if sentient life occurs on 1 out of every 100 million planets - an absurdity in and of itself - that would still lead to billions of inhabited worlds.
rhodescholar:
--- Quote --- Those aren't facts. That's just assumptions. You can't prove someone wrong by saying they're close-minded to a theory, isn't science supposed to be skeptical? But I guess it's ok to have faith in anything as long as it's not G-d, right?
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Didn't I read somewhere that judaism was the most rational-based of all religions?
I am beginning to feel like Galileo did before the pope, explaining that the sun did not rotate around the earth...
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