Torah and Jewish Idea > Torah and Jewish Idea
The Reason Why The Holocaust Happened
Hyades:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on November 19, 2009, 10:56:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hyades on November 19, 2009, 12:23:33 AM ----Israel by that time had no nukes.
--- End quote ---
Need I remind you it was Jewish brain power that invented the Atom bomb. I’m sure there were some good scientists in Israel that could have managed it if they put their minds to it. Anyway they should have leveled europe when they finally did invent Jericho missles.
--- Quote from: Hyades on November 19, 2009, 12:23:33 AM ----Israel needed Europe in order to survive as a nation
--- End quote ---
BS!!! Israel is G-d’s country and needs no one!!!
--- Quote from: Hyades on November 19, 2009, 12:23:33 AM ----If you really believe that HaShem sent down the holocaust to punish the decadent Euro-Jewry, so why should he want the Jews to act "an eye for an eye"? Would they have punished HaShem for this "punishment" received?
--- End quote ---
If someone murders a bunch of people in cold blood should they get capital punishment or since everything is G-d’s will should they be pardoned? If we think like that no justice would ever be done. If anyone starts a war with us we must kill them or be killed. My point is why did europe rise up aginst us in the first place?
We have to understand the reason for this!! Why worship a G-d who turns the whole world against us and genocides us for absolutely no reason!? Bear in mind the Jews in russia and the Jews in the muslim countries were extremely loyal to the Torah. They never had a so called “reform” movment and they did’nt intermarry and assimilate in huge numbers and the Holocaust never affected them. Please watch the 3 videos I linked in my initial post above. They explain the whole thing a lot better than I can.
Also read this article –
http://www.puretorah.com/resources/G-d%20and%20the%20Holocaust%20(Rabbi%20B.%20Shafier).pdf
--- End quote ---
Don't you think Europe punished and is still punishing itself enough? It is full of self-hating people bowing down before an ever growing mob of muslim and African immigrants, being treated like scum in their own countries and being shut up in order to not provoke any terror being carried out in their countries. The same goes for the USA and Canada.
There is no nukes needed for such things. Leave it all to G-d, since I think he has his own ways to pay everything back. He is patient. And I think the punishment is still to come.
I only fear that another punishment is approaching Israel as well. Why does Israel host gay parades, offers space for pagan cult and obviously leaves land to people who do oppose Judaism in every single point? Such things can be tolerated in many places of the World but not and no way in Israel?! How can the most important and essential rules and commandments of Judaism be broken in such an aggressive way? I think Jews who want to live a "modern" life in sin should look for other places to do so in order to keep Israel clean. Israel is a state for Jews but no Jewish State! It is completely secular (which itself is not the root of all evil) and just promotes a decadent Roman way of life and even DISCRIMINATES orthodoxy and conservative Judaism! Do you think Israel can be save forever in such a state?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Mo2388 on November 19, 2009, 10:30:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on November 19, 2009, 07:23:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mo2388 on November 19, 2009, 01:10:24 AM ---The holocaust was a pre-punishment for our generation. Look at Israel now. How much of the population is actually religious? It's sick. Of all places you'd expect ISRAEL to follow Torah.
--- End quote ---
A "pre-punishment" ? That makes no sense.
We believe that we have free will. So how can there be a punishment for transgression not yet committed. This violates the foundations of Jewish belief. Please consult the Rambam.
I don't know what they are feeding you in your yeshiva, but please do not get carried away. It sounds like their hashkafot are all twisted if this is what you're learning there. Despite what they might be telling you there, chilonim eating shwarma in Israel are not the root of all the world's problems.
--- End quote ---
Not in Yeshiva now and I never learned anything like that. I wasn't stating a fact, I was just making a point at how stupid Israel is today. But you're wrong. Jews not following Torah ARE the root of all the world's problems. Whenever Jews sin, the world suffers.
--- End quote ---
But history has already happened. So a Jew sinning today cannot be the cause of suffering that happened 200 years ago. We get reward and punishment based on what we do.
The One and Only Mo:
No, I just posted something out of anger with no source. Although we hear about rewards people get in the present when their ancestors will do good in the future.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[*] Previous page
Go to full version