Some Jews are so anti-Torah

[The One and Only Mo]

Some Jews so are against Orthodox Judaism......it makes me want to 

[The One and Only Mo]

Some Jews so are against Orthodox Judaism......it makes me want to 

For those of you who don't get it, it makes me become mad, want to cry,go crazy,get drunk,scratch my self to death,get angry,kill them.

[muman613]

Yes, these Jews are very bad.... Let us hope some of them wake up before there is no time left... I know that they will all be destroyed in the darkness {as they were during the Exodus, when 4/5 Jews died in the plague of Darkness}. All we can do is warn them, rebuke them, and try to prevent them from doing more damage than they have already done.

http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/Parasha/orchards/archives/001B'shalach.htm

http://www.tfdixie.com/parshat/yitro/010.htm

When the twelve tribes first came down to Egypt, they intended only to visit the country and remain strangers in the land. However, times changed, and soon "Israel settled in the land of Egypt" (Genesis 47:27), making themselves feel at home - a dire mistake that would have perennial consequences on our nation. The verse goes on to explain that the Jewish people acquired property, using the Hebrew term "vaye'achzu vah" (ibid.). Rashi, the Torah commentator par excellance, writes that the word "vaye'achzu  - acquired" also implies that the land of Egypt acquired the Jewish people, grasping them into its clutches. In essence, Egypt itself, with its corrupt social mores and hideous influences, clutched the Jewish people and took a permanent hold on their social conscious. As a matter of fact, the Midrash tells us that 4/5 of the Jews died during the plague of darkness because they did not want to leave Egypt.

[The One and Only Mo]

Yes, these Jews are very bad.... Let us hope some of them wake up before there is no time left... I know that they will all be destroyed in the darkness {as they were during the Exodus, when 4/5 Jews died in the plague of Darkness}. All we can do is warn them, rebuke them, and try to prevent them from doing more damage than they have already done.

http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/Parasha/orchards/archives/001B'shalach.htm

http://www.tfdixie.com/Parashat/yitro/010.htm

When the twelve tribes first came down to Egypt, they intended only to visit the country and remain strangers in the land. However, times changed, and soon "Israel settled in the land of Egypt" (Genesis 47:27), making themselves feel at home - a dire mistake that would have perennial consequences on our nation. The verse goes on to explain that the Jewish people acquired property, using the Hebrew term "vaye'achzu vah" (ibid.). Rashi, the Torah commentator par excellance, writes that the word "vaye'achzu  - acquired" also implies that the land of Egypt acquired the Jewish people, grasping them into its clutches. In essence, Egypt itself, with its corrupt social mores and hideous influences, clutched the Jewish people and took a permanent hold on their social conscious. As a matter of fact, the Midrash tells us that 4/5 of the Jews died during the plague of darkness because they did not want to leave Egypt.

The links are problematic.

[muman613]

Yes, these Jews are very bad.... Let us hope some of them wake up before there is no time left... I know that they will all be destroyed in the darkness {as they were during the Exodus, when 4/5 Jews died in the plague of Darkness}. All we can do is warn them, rebuke them, and try to prevent them from doing more damage than they have already done.

http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/Parasha/orchards/archives/001B'shalach.htm

http://www.tfdixie.com/Parashat/yitro/010.htm

When the twelve tribes first came down to Egypt, they intended only to visit the country and remain strangers in the land. However, times changed, and soon "Israel settled in the land of Egypt" (Genesis 47:27), making themselves feel at home - a dire mistake that would have perennial consequences on our nation. The verse goes on to explain that the Jewish people acquired property, using the Hebrew term "vaye'achzu vah" (ibid.). Rashi, the Torah commentator par excellance, writes that the word "vaye'achzu  - acquired" also implies that the land of Egypt acquired the Jewish people, grasping them into its clutches. In essence, Egypt itself, with its corrupt social mores and hideous influences, clutched the Jewish people and took a permanent hold on their social conscious. As a matter of fact, the Midrash tells us that 4/5 of the Jews died during the plague of darkness because they did not want to leave Egypt.

The links are problematic.

That shemayisrael site has a funky URL which will not paste properly into the forum.... Very interesting...

[muman613]

Well, these two links also discuss this topic...


http://www.campsci.com/hagadah/golus_mitzrayim.htm
http://dafyomireview.com/orchards.php?docid=47&style=print&ny=1

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/ask/eng/?id=4036

Question:
I have often heard that many say only 1/5 of the Jewish People (males?) left Egypt and the 4/5 died during the plague of darkness due to assimilation etc. Of the remainder, if most of the 18 year old males became 20 years old by the time of the spy incident and thus died in the dessert and around 15,000 more died during the rebellion of Korach, how many of the Jewish males 18 and older who actually left Egypt actually made it into Yisrael? What percentage would this be and could infer that perhaps only an extremely small percentage made it into Yisrael? Is it our belief that these souls will be reborn and were the Levites allowed into Yisrael? Will the souls that passed away while in the bemidbar likely to be reborn in the future? With the exception of Calev and Jehoshua, then the males who left Egypt would have been 58 at the youngest upon entry in Yisrael?


Answer:
1. The decree that all males over the age of 20 would die in the desert did not apply to Leviim. It can be assumed that few Leviim died in the desert, though some surely did after the rebellion of Korach, in which at least some Leviim were participants. The Torah does not tell us how many Leviim actually made it to Israel.
2. Presumably, all those (excluding Leviim, Calev and Yehoshua) who left Egypt over the age of 18 died in the dessert. The decree, which took place over a year after the exodus, applied to males over twenty, but since only less than 39 years went by until the entry to Israel, and the Jews died in the desert at the age of 60, the last year's group was pardoned.
3. We may assume that belief in the revaval of the dead after Moshiach comes includes those who died in the desert.

[muman613]

http://www.torah.org/learning/perceptions/5765/shemos.html

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And so began the Egyptian exile. It is hard to imagine that after 3500 years we are still in it, especially since we have not been in Egypt en masse for almost the same amount of time. But, as the Leshem teaches, the redemption from Egypt had not been complete; we lost 12,000,000 Jews in the Plague of Darkness, which eventually resulted in exile into Bavel 900 years later, the Greek exile, and finally, the Roman exile that we are still in.

As we said earlier, Egypt was a people, but Mitzrayim is a concept, and they just happened to overlap during Moshe Rabbeinu's time. The people may have been destroyed in the Ten Plagues and at the Red Sea, but the concept lives on until Moshiach comes and ends its reign of darkness. For, Mitzrayim means meitzer (Mem-Tzaddi-Raish = constriction) yumm (Yud-Mem = 50), an allusion to the constriction of G-d's light, often referred to as the Nun Sha'arei Binah (the FIFTY Gates of Understanding).

The Arizal explains that the ideal purpose for going down to Egypt in this week's parshah, was to be a light unto nations. When Moshe Rabbeinu came back to redeem us 209 years later, we were dangling for our spiritual lives from the forty-ninth level of spiritual impurity. What he should have found instead was the Egyptian people thriving spiritually on the fiftieth level of holiness, made possible by the Jewish people's return to Kesones Ohr (Clothing of Light), the state of Adam HaRishon before eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

So, instead of remaining in Egypt the full 400 years that G-d had spoken to Avraham about, a number that alludes to a complete period of gestation and development, G-d had to step into history and arrest a process that was spiraling downward in the wrong direction. The plagues not only began to destroy the spiritually impaired Egyptian nation, but also to begin some sort of healing process for the Jewish people. That in and of itself was unable to cure the vast majority of Klal Yisroel. The impact of the Egyptian lifestyle had been too great to peel back, even after eight supernatural plagues for four-fifths of the Jewish nation.

So, even with the introduction of redemption into our experiential vocabulary, we never really left exile. Even after leaving Egypt with an exalted hand and entering Eretz Yisroel with a strong one, we have never stopped wandering, at least intellectually. There has always been some element of crooked thinking that has infiltrated many Jews and that eventually spread to enough of the nation to warrant the destruction of two temples and countless exiles throughout the ages.