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Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 22, 2009, 05:10:21 PM ---I am not arguing with you KWRBT... Some people have assigned different weights to different mitvot... You must agree that there is a mitzvah to not 'round the corners of the head', you have said this yourself... So you just don't interpret this command to mean that you should let your peyot grow... Maybe this is because some rabbis don't consider the importance of some mitzvahs and elevate the status of other mitzvahs.
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Muman. Please cease this sheker. Your amount of cognitive dissonance is absolutely mindboggling. Your childish display in this thread is just getting worse and worse. There is no "downplaying" of any mitzvah here. Because how could they down play it? IT IS EXPLICITLY WRITTEN IN THE CHUMASH AS A NEGATIVE COMMANDMENT. No one is ignoring this mitzvah. On the contrary, the argument is about the PARAMETERS for fulfilling the mitzvah. Did the Chatham Sofer say that this mitzvah is "not important" CHaS VESHALOM!? No. He said that there is no source for the chasidic custom with which they fulfill this mitzvah. He said that the halacha, the Jewish law, of how to fulfill the mitzvah, requires something much different (less) than what they do. Granted that what they do is certainly permitted and also fits the bill. But it is not required. You need to get over the fact that the chassidic 'stringency' or 'beautification' of this mitzvah is NOT what is required to fulfill it. And I'm sorry if someone misled you by giving you that impression. But please cease the distortions.
Many fine Jews wear chassidic style payoth. And many fine Jews (religious, even very learned rabbis) do NOT. And those fine Jews that do NOT sport the chassidic style payoth are loved no less by Hashem, and fulfill their halachic requirement in that mitzvah no less.
Should I now post picture collages of Jews throughout history who did not have payoth? How about the talmidei chachamim of Germany and other places in Europe in the 1800's and 1900's? Would that be constructive? No, that would be silly and pointless. But I have seen many such pictures just so you know!
This is not about promoting hairstyles. Anyone is free to sport whatever they like as long as they do not violate the commandment. Just don't tell me that your preferred haircut is the real deal, and anything else violates. There is a halacha in Judaism!
IsraeliGovtAreKapos:
--- Quote from: muman613 on December 22, 2009, 04:55:11 PM ---
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Who is this? He looks too much like this thing:
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: Sefardic Panther on December 22, 2009, 05:36:54 PM ---I apologize for that question about Rav Kapach ZT'L. Please excuse my ignorance. I only became religious 2 years ago so there is still a lot I don’t know about many Rabbis. I obviously did’nt know that Rav Kapach was so brilliant all I knew was he rejected the Zohar (a position which still seems controversial to me).
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I appreciate this, and see that there was a misunderstanding. I myself am not so learned either, believe me, so it's not about that in itself. As long as we are willing to admit when we don't know and we don't make the mistake of assuming we know more than we actually do. Let us just be careful about what we say of great talmidei chachamim who gave their all for klal Yisrael. That is what I wished to stress. It is a very serious thing.
And you are right that his position there is controversial. At the same time, he kept his views on that issue largely to himself and tried to unite the Yemenite community (and all Jews) despite the very strong differences within pertaining to this issue (some factions of Yemenites strongly in favor of Zohar and others strongly against). He was vocal with more pertinent matters, and his scholarship was focused on more pertinent matters than that machloketh.
--- Quote ---I said Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak is the best because he brought so many Jews back to Judaism. But obviously he is not better than Rav Kapach.
And I was actually not saying Mori Michael Bar-Ron is greater than Rav Kapach I was only illustrating the fact that a lot of Temanim still have payot.
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Fair enough but I still maintain that it has no bearing on the crux of this matter whether or not a lot of people (some of the teymanim, included) wear the simanim. The fact is that not everyone does, even though they obviously hold of that mitzvah. It must be there are different parameters of how to fulfill it that are equally acceptable. It can be a matter of preference if one likes the style and wishes to beautify the mitzvah with the chassidic style payoth. I just wanted to dispel the notion that one does not fulfill it halachically without doing so. It must be clear that that is not required of every Jew to wear the long chassidic style payoth, even if it is a desirable/fashionable/positive-cultural/ etc option according to some opinions, including several in this forum, yourself included.
Sefardic Panther:
I cannot understand why Natory Qarta gets there pictures taken with the leaders of the PLO and hamas even though a few years ago a subhuman savage from hamas detonated himself on a bus full of children from Meah Shearim.
Do they do this to annoy the hiloni government?
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
I think it's because hatred can be blinding. They have a hateful philosophy and it causes them to hate the whole Jewish people because everyone is zionist in some way and therefore pasul in their eyes.
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