The Swiss ban minarets

[AntiIslam]

On November 29th, the Swiss voted to ban the building of minarets in their country. 
Muslims are still allowed to build Mosques and practice Islam however.   

That's not what this post is about. 
This post is about the Jews that are against the ban. 
As evidenced with the following:

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/12/03/1009516/rabbi-europe-must-be-tolerant-toward-muslims
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1259831455845&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3814057,00.html

My personal opinion is that the Swiss should be able to ban the building of minarets if they so choose.  It is a Democratic country and it was by Democratic vote that they banned the minarets. 
Further more, minarets are not just a piece of architecture.  Minarets are used to recite the Adhan 5 times a day everyday. 
I'm sure if I were living next to a minaret, I would be pretty annoyed. 

So my question is, why are Jews against the ban?  I don't really think it effects the Jewish community in any way. 

[mord]

We are for the ban 'THE JEWS' who are against speak for themselves






http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,40607.0.html   










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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,40569.0.html

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

These are Deformed Jews, who are cultists and possibly not even halachically Jewish at all.

[muman613]

The issue, which I think is legitimate is that some European countries have attempted to outlaw Jewish rituals such as Circumcision and Ritual Slaughter {Schechita} in the past. If legislation against a religion such as Islam succeeds it is not too far down the road till they outlaw Kosher slaughter and circumcision.... I am happy that minarets are banned but given the history of this part of the world the Jews do have a lot to worry about considering this law against Islam.

http://www.hashkafah.com/Swiss-voters-ban-minarets-t63731.html&pid=1407370
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48894162.html

[AntiIslam]

Well, then I wish more Jews were like the jtf Jews.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

The issue, which I think is legitimate is that some European countries have attempted to outlaw Jewish rituals such as Circumcision and Ritual Slaughter {Schechita} in the past. If legislation against a religion such as Islam succeeds it is not too far down the road till they outlaw Kosher slaughter and circumcision.... I am happy that minarets are banned but given the history of this part of the world the Jews do have a lot to worry about considering this law against Islam.

http://www.hashkafah.com/Swiss-voters-ban-minarets-t63731.html&pid=1407370
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48894162.html

I don't deny that this has gone on in Europe but I really think that bringing up anti-Jewish laws here is an excuse reason being given by the self-hating Jews. They feel sorry for Muzzies plain and simple. These are the same self-hating Jews who claim that banning abortion is a form of "fascism" and the like.

[Debbie Shafer]

I thought these towers were a sign of Islamic power.  I wouldn't want them in my city either.

[briann]

The issue, which I think is legitimate is that some European countries have attempted to outlaw Jewish rituals such as Circumcision and Ritual Slaughter {Schechita} in the past. If legislation against a religion such as Islam succeeds it is not too far down the road till they outlaw Kosher slaughter and circumcision.... I am happy that minarets are banned but given the history of this part of the world the Jews do have a lot to worry about considering this law against Islam.

http://www.hashkafah.com/Swiss-voters-ban-minarets-t63731.html&pid=1407370
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48894162.html

I dissagree.  Islam is NOT a religion.  It is a hate-based ideology.  This is a step to stop the glorification and institutionalization of a hateful ideology.  Unfortunately, liberal fascist leadership refuses to see it this way, but we know its true.

Since many European laws have that ban swastikas, I think its only fair that they start banning other symbols and institutions that promote hate.

Now in America, we have freedom of expression, so it is a different story, but in Europe, they have precedence for banning glorification of hate, so for consistency reasons, I think this is the right move.

[muman613]

The issue, which I think is legitimate is that some European countries have attempted to outlaw Jewish rituals such as Circumcision and Ritual Slaughter {Schechita} in the past. If legislation against a religion such as Islam succeeds it is not too far down the road till they outlaw Kosher slaughter and circumcision.... I am happy that minarets are banned but given the history of this part of the world the Jews do have a lot to worry about considering this law against Islam.

http://www.hashkafah.com/Swiss-voters-ban-minarets-t63731.html&pid=1407370
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48894162.html

I dissagree.  Islam is NOT a religion.  It is a hate-based ideology.  This is a step to stop the glorification and institutionalization of a hateful ideology.  Unfortunately, liberal fascist leadership refuses to see it this way, but we know its true.

Since many European laws have that ban swastikas, I think its only fair that they start banning other symbols and institutions that promote hate.

Now in America, we have freedom of expression, so it is a different story, but in Europe, they have precedence for banning glorification of hate, so for consistency reasons, I think this is the right move.

I think you missed my point entirely... My objection has nothing to do with Islam... It has to do with the antisemitic policies of the European nations... Historically they have attempted to ban Jewish rituals.. This is why these kinds of laws may be dangerous to the religious Jews in these countries. They have attempted to ban Ritual Slaughter and Circumcision in the past... If these two Jewish rituals are banned, as they were by the Greeks as we remember during the holiday of Channukah, the entire Jewish religion is at risk. If Jews cannot perform Brit Milah and are unable to have Kosher meat the Jewish people will be unable to continue to exist in these countries.

My concern has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with fear of the European antisemitism which has historically targeted the Jew.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

My concern has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with fear of the European antisemitism which has historically targeted the Jew.

The fact that Europe has tolerated Islam so well up until now is proof of European anti-Semitism.

[Fighting For Truth]

Very old topic.

[briann]

The issue, which I think is legitimate is that some European countries have attempted to outlaw Jewish rituals such as Circumcision and Ritual Slaughter {Schechita} in the past. If legislation against a religion such as Islam succeeds it is not too far down the road till they outlaw Kosher slaughter and circumcision.... I am happy that minarets are banned but given the history of this part of the world the Jews do have a lot to worry about considering this law against Islam.

http://www.hashkafah.com/Swiss-voters-ban-minarets-t63731.html&pid=1407370
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/48894162.html

I dissagree.  Islam is NOT a religion.  It is a hate-based ideology.  This is a step to stop the glorification and institutionalization of a hateful ideology.  Unfortunately, liberal fascist leadership refuses to see it this way, but we know its true.

Since many European laws have that ban swastikas, I think its only fair that they start banning other symbols and institutions that promote hate.

Now in America, we have freedom of expression, so it is a different story, but in Europe, they have precedence for banning glorification of hate, so for consistency reasons, I think this is the right move.

I think you missed my point entirely... My objection has nothing to do with Islam... It has to do with the antisemitic policies of the European nations... Historically they have attempted to ban Jewish rituals.. This is why these kinds of laws may be dangerous to the religious Jews in these countries. They have attempted to ban Ritual Slaughter and Circumcision in the past... If these two Jewish rituals are banned, as they were by the Greeks as we remember during the holiday of Channukah, the entire Jewish religion is at risk. If Jews cannot perform Brit Milah and are unable to have Kosher meat the Jewish people will be unable to continue to exist in these countries.

My concern has nothing to do with Islam. It has to do with fear of the European antisemitism which has historically targeted the Jew.

And you have missed my point.  Are you concerned by European countries deciding to ban Mein Kampf?   Would you be worried that (because of Europes historical anti-Jew banning) that by banning Mein Kampf this would lead to Banning the Torah?  Or Banning the Swaztika will lead to banning the star of David?

By this logic, you must also be very wary of the European Geert Wilders, as he has said that the Koran should be treated like Mein Kampf, and banned as hate speech.