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Earth at the Center of the Universe
Lubab:
--- Quote from: Scriabin on June 05, 2007, 01:38:11 PM ---We know nothing of the Universe.
Is it finite or infinite, expanding or contracting?
Trying to understand the Universe is like trying to use human logic to explain G-d's reasons for doing what He does.
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True. Yet scientists make a good living convincing people they do understand it.
ftf:
From relativity, I can say that when I am riding in a fast open top vehicle I am stationary and everything else is moving, it all depends how one defines the reference frame, once can say that the earth revolves around the sun or that the sun revolves aroun the earth, either is valid.
Lubab:
--- Quote from: ftf on June 05, 2007, 05:30:59 PM ---From relativity, I can say that when I am riding in a fast open top vehicle I am stationary and everything else is moving, it all depends how one defines the reference frame, once can say that the earth revolves around the sun or that the sun revolves aroun the earth, either is valid.
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Thank you ftf. I'm glad this is making sense at least to someone. Now while both are sceintifically valid. The Torah which deals in abolute truths comes and says that the earth and specifically the temple mount in Jerusalem is the stationary center and everything revolves around it.
Muck DeFuslims:
Does anyone here actually think the Sun orbits around Mercury ?
Or Venus ?
Or Mars ?
Or is the quantifiable, observable reality that all the planets in the solar system orbit around the Sun ?
We can observe and measure the movements of the planets as they journey around the Sun.
We know with precision exactly how long it takes for each planet to complete an orbit and can quantify how long a year is on each planet.
I'm absolutely convinced the Earth orbits the Sun.
I'm also convinced the Torah is the divine word of Hashem.
Does anyone know what Talmudic passage(s) specify that the Sun orbits the Earth ?
As we all know, the Talmud is an expansion of Biblical text and the commentators often have different opinions and frequently contradict each other.
As great as our Talmudic sages were, we must remember they were human, and the Talmud in and of itself is not divine.
So if anyone can provide the Talmudic text stating the Sun orbits the Earth and what Biblical text this supposition is based on it would be much appreciated.
This is a real good thread because although there is alot of disagreement, there has been no rancor or insults tossed around. Just a bunch of good intelligent folks trying to settle a difference of opinion and learn from each other. JTF forum at it's best.
jdl4ever:
Actually the Talmud never says the sun goes around the earth, in fact it says the opposite, that the earth goes around the sun since it states that the Rabbis admitted to the Greeks after arguing that the stars are stationary and we move which means that they don't go around us like the geocentricists suggest..
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