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Kabbalism
Shlomo:
--- Quote from: jdl4ever on April 29, 2007, 07:07:21 PM ---There are only two Torahs, the Oral Torah and the Written Torah. The secret areas of the Torah are not a separate layer and were not transmitted separately. They are derivitives of the written and oral Torah found out through study. There are always people who uncover some secrets of the Torah in every generation and transmittion of secret areas of the Torah is limited since you can only transmit it through hints and only to one person who is knowledgible privately. The Medrish is part of the Oral Torah since it is a commentary.
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To be honest with you, I never quite bought into that whole "you can only transmit secrets through hints privately" stuff. In fact, I've witnessed the opposite as well. Sometimes Hashem allowed other people on their own, through experiences or studying other giants in Torah.
I will agree that deep secrets of the Torah are not prevalent in today's modern society as we move further from the source, but there are a LOT of righteous and dedicated Jews in Israel that understood some incredibly deep, mind-blowing things from other means.
I would like to add to this post for those who might take it out of context... I DO NOT think people should just go off on their own and wind up making some new kind of religious beliefs or become fake rabbis. I think it is VERY important to study Talmud with a teacher and gain instruction and direction from wise individuals who have demonstrated their "credentials".
jdl4ever:
I am just writing what the Rambam himself wrote in Guide To the Perplexed about secrets of the Torah. I also believe that he is correct since I tried to transmit some stuff I found out (ignoring the Rambam's warning) and I was not able to do it since they guys I was trying to tell it to were not able to understand no matter how hard I tried. So I think the Rambam was very wize and I won't try to do this again. I learned my lesson. Also it is not that difficult to find secrets. Just study the Torah and after a while you'll figure stuff out and uncover new things. It usually takes about a year of thinking about something on your free time. Only deep secrets can't be transmitted (I'm no expert since I only found 1 or 2). Things that were not discovered before that are not really secrets you probably can transmit.
Shlomo:
I think the area of concern for me with Kaballah or "secrets" is that some people want a magical shortcut. Madonna absolutely does not want G-d's real will done in her life... she's looking for a "secret" or some "magic" to fix everything. This is DESTRUCTIVE thinking and phony schools are popping up everywhere. People think they can cheat and still have the same rewards in life. These people don't even get the point.
jdl4ever:
You are absolutely correct and that is what us Rationalists don't like about the Kabalah movement in that it assumes that every day people should study Kabalah and can somehow become experts on secrets of the Torah by using a shortcut. In reality, it takes lots of work and time to uncover hidden things in the Torah and there is no guarantee on finding things. I only think I found 2 deep secrets and it took me over a year of study (and thinking a lot) to find each them and I had a lot of luck from Hashem on my side as well. There is no shortcuts to this and you must do it yourself.
mord:
I forgot the Rabbis name but in the time that Rome ruled Israel a guy snitched on another person to the Romans the Rabbi had to hide in a cave for some yrs when he came out he stared at the snitch and rays came out of the Rabbis eyes that evaparated the snitch he had to go back in the cave for 7 yrs in order to learn to control these powers
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